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  • The Flame isn't a person, no, but its an AI. Its specifically called an AI by both Becca and Raven. We also put a Kill Count for the termination of the original ALIE. If we did that for ALIE's termination, we should do the same for her counterpart's.

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    • I kinda agree. Alie also was just a code. And technically all the Primes are just a code as well.

      The flame had a recurring role through the seasons. I think it's worth mentioning

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    • Iamkane wrote: I kinda agree. Alie also was just a code. And technically all the Primes are just a code as well.

      The flame had a recurring role through the seasons. I think it's worth mentioning

      There's literally a precedent here for this with ALIE being listed. Its an AI not just some kind of device so technically it could be considered as dying for that reason alone. I'd list the Spirit of the Commanders, but we don't know for sure yet if they were destroyed along with it or if they all escaped with Sheidheda. For now, their Spirits can be listed as being Unknown status.

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    • It's just a piece of plastic and the body count section is for human beings.

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    • Wellsworth96 wrote: It's just a piece of plastic and the body count section is for human beings.

      Again, we did it for ALIE and she was just an AI like the Flame. If it was something like the Rover or the ship I wouldn't bother, but its an artificial intelligence so in its own way it was alive. The damn thing even LOOKED like it had died when it got pulled out. There's a precedent for this. Its not speculation it was an AI either: it has been specifically stated several times, including by Raven in the last few episodes. It just doesn't tend to manifest it's own personality/form/whatever like the original ALIE because of the way it was designed.

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    • Talk to Janus100, see what they think.

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    • Wellsworth96 wrote: Talk to Janus100, see what they think.

      They haven't posted any responses on here. I'd say leave it for now unless whoever that is says otherwise.

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    • WarGrowlmon18 wrote:

      Wellsworth96 wrote: Talk to Janus100, see what they think.

      They haven't posted any responses on here. I'd say leave it for now unless whoever that is says otherwise.

      This may surprise some people, but I don't monitor every single wall post (except on my own wall). If you want to have a community wide editing discussion, than that's what the suggestion board is used for. User walls are primarily for discussions with wall owner (...though others may jump in uninvited...)


      As for the topic of discussion: I see three options:

      1. Both AIs listed in body count since both were 'intelligences'
      2. Neither AIs listed in body count since neither was 'alive'
      3. List only ALIE 1 in body count since it, unlike ALIE 2, was an independent entity

      I'm fine with any of the above. If it was solely up to me... then I'd probably pick #2 - both AI are artificial and aren't 'bodies' for body count purposes.

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    • Janus100 wrote: I'm fine with any of the above. If it was solely up to me... then I'd probably pick #2 - both AI are artificial and aren't 'bodies' for body count purposes.

      I agree with you. But, I also think A.L.I.E. kind belongs on the body count section, but in away I don't

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    • Janus100 wrote:

      WarGrowlmon18 wrote:

      Wellsworth96 wrote: Talk to Janus100, see what they think.

      They haven't posted any responses on here. I'd say leave it for now unless whoever that is says otherwise.

      This may surprise some people, but I don't monitor every single wall post (except on my own wall). If you want to have a community wide editing discussion, than that's what the suggestion board is used for. User walls are primarily for discussions with wall owner (...though others may jump in uninvited...)


      As for the topic of discussion: I see three options:

      1. Both AIs listed in body count since both were 'intelligences'
      2. Neither AIs listed in body count since neither was 'alive'
      3. List only ALIE 1 in body count since it, unlike ALIE 2, was an independent entity

      I'm fine with any of the above. If it was solely up to me... then I'd probably pick #2 - both AI are artificial and aren't 'bodies' for body count purposes.

      I'd go with option 3 if nothing else. But what I'm wondering is if we shouldn't change the infobox for the Flame to be more like A.L.I.E.??? She was given an infobox as a character including a status (which is Terminated) and killed by thing. Should we do the same for the Flame???

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    • The Flame is not a character played by a person, it is a piece of plastic. A.L.I.E. was played by a person, therefore the reason she has a character infobox.

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    • WarGrowlmon18 wrote: I'd go with option 3 if nothing else. But what I'm wondering is if we shouldn't change the infobox for the Flame to be more like A.L.I.E.??? She was given an infobox as a character including a status (which is Terminated) and killed by thing. Should we do the same for the Flame???

      Your statement seems to be a bit contradictory. Option 3 is "List only ALIE 1 in body count since it, unlike ALIE 2, was an independent entity" - another words, recognize ALIE 1 as a character but ALIE 2 as an object. If you're selecting option 3, why would you argue that the Flame needs a character infobox?

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    • Janus100 wrote:

      WarGrowlmon18 wrote: I'd go with option 3 if nothing else. But what I'm wondering is if we shouldn't change the infobox for the Flame to be more like A.L.I.E.??? She was given an infobox as a character including a status (which is Terminated) and killed by thing. Should we do the same for the Flame???

      Your statement seems to be a bit contradictory. Option 3 is "List only ALIE 1 in body count since it, unlike ALIE 2, was an independent entity" - another words, recognize ALIE 1 as a character but ALIE 2 as an object. If you're selecting option 3, why would you argue that the Flame needs a character infobox?

      I was going with more of a best of the situation kind of answer. Also, I only suggested the infobox since A.L.I.E. had gotten one too.

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    • If we're treating ALIE 1 as a character and ALIE 2 as an object, then ALIE 1 gets character infobox and ALIE 2 gets object infobox.

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    • Janus100 wrote: If we're treating ALIE 1 as a character and ALIE 2 as an object, then ALIE 1 gets character infobox and ALIE 2 gets object infobox.

      Okay.

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