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  • 605 "The Gospel of Josephine" episode discussion:
    What was your favorite part? What surprised you? What do you think will happen next?

    What did you think of "The Gospel of Josephine"?
     
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    605 Surprise? Or not?
     
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    • It was.... um.... I have no words.

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    • Yea... What was that "flare" thing tho? And there did it come from

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    • Seems like a temporal flare causes time to change. In this case, rotting away the plant life and aging Octavia's hand...

      Earlier in the episode, we see a map which labels a section as "temporal anomaly". Last episode it was mentioned that the old man (aka Gabriel) might be at the anomaly. It seems that the temporal flare causes some fluctuation of time. We saw that it can age things, perhaps it can also de-age someone. A step in a related concept would be time-travel... but I don't know if the series intends to try that.

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    • So, Gabriel is/was Josephine's partner (as shown in the video footage in this episode, and flashbacks in past episodes) and the faction of people who oppose the Primes are called the "Children of Gabriel".. So based on clues dropped in this episode, and some past information from the season I sort of have two theories...

      Firstly, I think that the "old man" being referenced/leading the Children of Gabriel is actually Gabriel, in his last host body before he split off from the rest of the Primes. SOMETHING must have been the catalyst for that decision, though - we see him looking a little conflicted about his success in bringing Josephine back in the footage from this episode, and I think that's meant to be our indicator that he wasn't 100% on board with the whole host body/immortality thing.

      So theory one is that Xavier is the child of Josephine (in her last host body) and Gabriel - he's hinted at having some sort of authoritative presence in the children of Gabriel but doesn't seem to be the outright leader, and if he's the child of Gabriel himself that would seem to make sense in terms of his positioning within the group. I think the turning point for Gabriel could have been having a child, probably with nightblood, and fearing that his child would then in turn become a host when his child reached the right age of maturation (because Josephine seems just crazy enough to wipe out her own kid in order to further the rest of her family). Knowing that you're raising your kid 'for the slaughter', while also having an INTIMATE knowledge of what that would entail would definitely be more than enough motive to split off from the Primes...

      Theory two hinges around the "Isaac" that was mentioned in this week's episode. As far as I'm aware, we have no idea who Isaac is - just that he was important to Kaylee. So, similarily, my theory here is that Isaac was the nightblooded child of Kaylee/her husband, concieved using their host's bodies. I think Josephine, against Kaylee's wishes, used Isaac as a host for a different prime (maybe Gabriel?) and that was both what motived Kaylee to then kill Josephine (for having killed her son) and also acted as the last straw for Gabriel, causing him to split off. Would also be good motive for Kaylee & family to run away, since she would know that when Josephine is "reborn" again she'd be able to tell the rest of the Primes than Kaylee was the one who caused her fall. 

      Purely speculation of course - but fun to think about what the different clues might mean and try to guess at how everything could come together!

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    • Sorry - I just realized that it was actually Kaylee's brother and mother/father that were killed and not a husbad, so I'd like to make adjustments to my second theory:

      Theory two hinges around the "Isaac" that was mentioned in this week's episode. As far as I'm aware, we have no idea who Isaac is - just that he was important to Kaylee. So, similarily, my theory here is that Isaac was the nightblooded child of Kaylee (concieved in her host's body) or possibly her husband. I think Josephine, against Kaylee's wishes, used Isaac as a host for a different prime (maybe Gabriel?) and that was both what motived Kaylee to then kill Josephine (for having killed her son/husband) and also acted as the last straw for Gabriel, causing him to split off. Would also be good motive for Kaylee & family to run away, since she would know that when Josephine is "reborn" again she'd be able to tell the rest of the Primes than Kaylee was the one who caused her fall. 

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    • Did they mention anything else about the dark commander Shadeheda?

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    • Um.


      I don’t know where the hell this season is going but I haven’t been this invested since Season 2. This is so WEIRD.


      ALSO, really stupid theory — the Flame will be used to transplant the minds of old commanders into new bodies and that’s how Sheidheda enters the picture and how Lexa returns. I DONT want that to happen but I feel like it’s a possibility.

      And we all know Jake Griffin’s return is ultimately how Clark’s memories come back and she reclaims control of her body. It’s kind of obvious.

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    • 135.0.220.165 wrote: So theory one is that Xavier is the child of Josephine (in her last host body) and Gabriel - he's hinted at having some sort of authoritative presence in the children of Gabriel but doesn't seem to be the outright leader, and if he's the child of Gabriel himself that would seem to make sense in terms of his positioning within the group. I think the turning point for Gabriel could have been having a child, probably with nightblood, and fearing that his child would then in turn become a host when his child reached the right age of maturation (because Josephine seems just crazy enough to wipe out her own kid in order to further the rest of her family). Knowing that you're raising your kid 'for the slaughter', while also having an INTIMATE knowledge of what that would entail would definitely be more than enough motive to split off from the Primes...

      Sounds interesting to me if Xavier is a son of Josephine. He could play a very important role against the Primes, if they team up with the Earth-crew. Now with Emori, Echo and Raven looking at the functioning of the radiation shield, they both could have information needed to plan a major attack at the Primes. It looks like they're going to need each other somehow.


      Regarding Bellamy, of course the Primes are going to keep him under control, possibly by intimidating that he must keep the Clarke-Josphine secret hidden, otherwise they'll kill other Earth people. And regarding Madi, I think the Primes are going to catch her pretty quickly, if she won't make it to the Gagarin quick enough with the rest. But of course, everybody sees Bellamy is missing. And what I also found noticeable, is that the Murphy is picked out to be Josephine's helping hand. He is the most selfish and individually focused person in the story. The Primes couldn't have tried this with for example Gaia. Nobody else than Murphy can be willing to help Josephine and the Primes, on condition that he can live eternally.

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    • 605 jordan login
      how could it be that the system recognize jordan in the main page?

      he entered the general password for the database.

      eligius 3 was way older than him.

      and if the system is connected to both of the ships why didnt he see the files earlier?

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    • Yeah, this also kinda bugs me, like shouldn't he login as "admin" or something. Why would Eligius 3 equipment have his profile

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    • 2607: FCC8: 9C05: 1200: 28CC: FF88: 8308: 5342 escribió:
      ¿Mencionaron algo más sobre el comandante oscuro Shadeheda?
      Si muy cierto que es lo que el comandante oscuro le revelara a madi ?
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    • A FANDOM user
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