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  • Janus100
    Janus100 closed this thread because:
    606 confirmed Clarke is alive so topic done
    19:39, July 12, 2019

    This is a general discussion, including theories, speculation, and opinions. For the discussion regarding how the wiki should be edited to reflect 604 developments, see Thread:86209.


    In my opinion: no, Clarke is NOT dead.


    A few similar cases:

    • The host still lives after taking ALIE 2 (Flame)
    • The host still lives after taking ALIE 1 chip (Key to the CoL)

    Obviously, there are differences, but the most comparable case is when ALIE took full control of Raven – even if Raven was lost or locked away for a while, she still lived and was able to return to her body.

    I know Russell said the mind is erased, but I question how literal that is and if Russell really knows it as fact. Even if no one has previously escaped from being Prime after insertion, does it really mean it's impossible. Also, Clarke previously had the Flame and the chip, so that may affect things.


    And from real-world perspective:

    • Clarke is the primary character of the series. If she was to die, it'd be in some grand event. Not this unclear, plain way.
    • JR has noted the importance of Clarke and Bellamy multiple times, e.g. "…Bellamy and Clarke have always been the center of the show, and their relationship is so important to everything we do." EW, "As always Bellamy and Clarke are at the center of the show and that relationship is hugely important." IGN – how would that work if one is dead?
    • The show has already gone through the mess of killing an LGBT female after a sex scene, is it really going to try that again? I'm saying no.


    We know for sure that Clarke's body is still alive, even if it's controlled by Josephine. To add to that, in my opinion, Clarke's mind is still alive too.

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    • Yeah Clarke 99% will be resurrected with help of the Flame but there will be consequences However in terms of wiki or lore status "Dead" is acceptable, but "Host" might work as well For primes though, i think it's ok with "body - dead, mind - alive in..."

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    • I do not think she is dead. However, maybe there is a limited time in which they can remove the Prime chip from Clarke to get her mind back. My guess is if "Josephine" is in Clarke long enough, Clarke's mind won't be able to return to consciousness even if the chip is removed. 

      Maybe like in the movie The Host, we might see "conflicting minds" where Clarke and Josephine are both consciously aware of what is going on around them and can share the same thoughts, but Clarke is unable to physically act upon her thoughts and desires. Also, in The Host it was only the mentally strongest individuals who were capable of internally fighting back against their host. We know Clarke is tough both physically and mentally, so maybe she will be able to fight against Josephine.

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    • Tangential to above, let's assume Clarke's mind is alive – so what's going on from Clarke's perspective? Does she see what Josephine is doing or is she just taking a long nap? Can she fight Josephine for control of the body (re: Stephenie Meyer's The Host) or must she wait for others to save her?


      Also, regarding Josephine: does she have Clarke's memories (with the chip, ALIE gained all the memories of the host). If so, Madi is in trouble... Also, Clarke's memories contain the blood marrow method to create new Nightbloods, so unlimited hosts...

      Is Josephine impacted by Clarke's brain (i.e. Clarke's skills, deep-seated emotions, etc.)? Is it purely Josephine's mind or is there any blending of her with the host's mind?


      So many questions, let's see how few of them are answered next episode...

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    • Iamkane wrote: However in terms of wiki or lore status "Dead" is acceptable, but "Host" might work as well For primes though, i think it's ok with "body - dead, mind - alive in..."

      That's for the editing discussion, which I'm still in the process of writing out. So hold those thoughts for a bit longer.

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    • To @Janus100, yeah i just actually added on to my post regarding the situation in The Host. 

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    • I am 100% sure that once Madi, Gaia or Raven see Clarke's neck, they will know right away that it's the AI and start working on how to remove it.

      Russell, like the Grounders, don't know the actual science behind A.L.I.E (the flame). So, it makes sense they would consider her mind erased. If they knew all the science, they would have figured out how to recreate the nightblood - like Raven/Clarke did - since they seem very desperate for the blood.

      Basically, this season is giving us Sanctum's interpretation of the flame and nightblood... most of which will be parallel to the grounders'.

      I think we should only use "dead" if the body is dead.

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    • And just in addition, infoboxes have a "portrayed by" row. Should we then add current actors to the Primes? Like Eliza and JR to Josie and Mr.lightbourne

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    • Iamkane wrote: And just in addition, infoboxes have a "portrayed by" row. Should we then add current actors to the Primes? Like Eliza and JR to Josie and Mr.lightbourne

      Again, hold that thought for the editing discussion (coming soon, I promise).

      Edit: see Thread:86209

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    • Rontal121
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      22:15, May 24, 2019
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    • i think that it dipans on what the prime if she (Josephine) get hurt by a knife or a gun only then her(Clarke's) body will be injured or died and if her body is died she also. if the witers have balls but big one's . Josephine going to kill eveyone that Clarke is caring for and in the last secand befor she will get her control and jump and kill herself, like what hapend to the last host of Josephine. that will be a very good ending but in S7 Clarke will came back with the chip. if they are going this way or any way Clarke need to be shattered for the duration of the show becasue the things that she going to see in her drimes, that will be her dimons. also she mast now have a 20ft valyrian steel wall on her heart after this, 

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    • Maybe if you take out josephine's AI Clarke's consciousness comes back. Clarke is probably just trapped in her mind or something.

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    • I'm positive she's not dead. I know there's logistics to it and all that, but there is no way that they'd leave the main character of the series to die like that without resolving all her issues wilth Bellamy, Madi, Octavia, and the rest of Spacekru. I think it'd be interesting if, like with Raven, taking out the chip in Clarke's head didn't completely get rid of Josephine. What if Josephine's personality is now a part of Clarke for the rest of the show, but in a lesser sense once the chip is taken out? Josie doesn't necessarily have to be a villain. We all thought that she was the good guy in the flashback a couple episodes ago. 

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    • Maybe clarke needs a clean slate... once they remove the chip, clarke would have no memory at all about her past(being responsible for so many deaths) and then she need not feel responsible for those deeds. now noone can blame clarke for anything at all.... I like this plot twist.... X)

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    • I have a feeling that Clarke is trapped within her mind reliving all her worst nightmares. I saw a trailer that had a snippet of what looked like Mount Weather, with Clarke running around like she was in Season 2 when she broke the glass and was all bloody, holding the knife to Maias throat. 

      When I saw that I thought that instead of the Hosts mind being erased it was trapped (which makes me think they reason they treated the nightblood children so well on Sacntum is that the Primes knew they would be trapped inside their mind for the rest of the bodys life and wanted them to have good memories) and the orginal mind was reliving key moment sof its life.

      For Clarke that would be all the bad shit she has done/seen/been through. Following a previous posters point about CLarke having had the Flame in her head before - I think that could possibly be a way to bring her back (wether or not her mind is erased and only parts of her memory are brought back ie the ones she had before she took the Flame). However I think then the Flame would have to stay in her head permanantly meaning that Maddi wouldnt be the Commander anymore - but the Grounders wont folllow a 'false Nightblood.

      Or that Clarkes mind will overpower Josies and she'll fake being Josie for a while in order to help her people either take over Sanctum and end the Primes or intergrate within their society to fight the Children of Gabriel. However since they have already renewed for another season after this I think that they will continue the conflict between Sanctum and Spacekru/Earthborns



      Hope that makes sense.... Just a few thoughts I had!

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    • Starforce13 wrote:
      I am 100% sure that once Madi, Gaia or Raven see Clarke's neck, they will know right away that it's the AI and start working on how to remove it.

      Keep in mind tho, they used a small needle from what I could see. Also, I think the previous chips weren't noticeable. Obviously, you ate ALIE1, so no cuts, but with ALIE2 there were also no cuts - even tho the chip literally went into the neck. There might be nothing to see on her neck. Raven might, however, spot why Clarke is a completely different person right away since she's been there. Remember, Clarke will act NOTHING like Clarke now cause... Well, it's not Clarke anymore, it's Josephine. And I doubt they (rulers) would hide that fact from the public since it's literally accepted there.

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    • Yeah for me Reven will use again her equipment to distroye the AI like when she was trapped.

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    • they repeat it on numerous occasions that "CLARKE IS DEADDDDD" may be to emphasize that clarke really is gone :( ... but I thought She's the only character that supported the show like a pillar... without her, the ratings gonna plummet

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    • "The show has already gone through the mess of killing an LGBT female after a sex scene, is it really going to try that again? I'm saying no."

      It's really sad if this kind of thinking affects the show in any way.

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    • "Janus100 wrote:

      Also, regarding Josephine: does she have Clarke's memories (with the chip, ALIE gained all the memories of the host). If so, Madi is in trouble... Also, Clarke's memories contain the blood marrow method to create new Nightbloods, so unlimited hosts...

      Is Josephine impacted by Clarke's brain (i.e. Clarke's skills, deep-seated emotions, etc.)? Is it purely Josephine's mind or is there any blending of her with the host's mind?

      So many questions, let's see how few of them are answered next episode..."


      What we know from that lab video with Gabriel and Russell I: Gabriel says "dormant" couple of times after they applied serum to the girl - "dormant" means asleep or comatose. Feel the blanks yourself.

      These "mind drives" don't work like ALIE or Flame - they have only "Prime's" consciousness and can't collect anything from the host's mind.


      At least not while the host's mind is asleep. So no, Josephine doesn't have Clarke's memories.

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    • In the previous show, Josephine (Clark's body) we saw many times that she was surprised by what Murphy said about Beca's Lab. So I think also this AI collect any info from the host.

      I think for me, in the next show, Josephine will be convinced about what their parents did and what really happened to her civilisation. Then she react positively by helping the crew to bring Clark back to life because she 1000 times clever than Clark and she knows Biology very well. I think all this first season will be focus on bringing back Clark and destroying Russell Immortalizing system.

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    • @Ouendenod6:

      Nope, we can see that she was surprised, so she didn't collect anything from Clarke's memories. It's obvious in the lab video (and Delilah/Prya behavior) that Prime's consciousness doesn't know anything what host did before the chip insertion. To them, the host's mind is dead, although, we know that it's actually in a coma.

      Josephine is a sociopath and we've heard that her only interest is to find other nigthbloods in the "Earthkru" and kill ALL others. She won't help them, that's for sure. To her, (and to other Primes!) they are just bodies to use and are expendable pieces of meat.

      "1000 times cleverer than Clarke"?! LOL

      OK, sorry, I've heard enough. Bye.

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    • anytime something is erased data is left behind.

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    • @ A Kizo2703 First thank you for your point, that's sure Josephine is a sociopath, at the first look she seem innocent. But if I mentioned that she pretty much clever than Clark it's 1000times, just because she has a strongest background: she wrote books, she developed some biological branches on sanctum city and she probably knows how to stop this. It might be impossible but I want to bet on her friendship to help skykru guys. I don't know but I'm not feeling good when I see Clark's body threatening Bellamy or maybe letter on Madi...

      I really need to know What is the next show release date please?

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    • @Ouendenod6: Oh, is she really that clever? I'm not so sure. She just had more time 'cause she lives for 211 years, remember? Clarke is 24.

      The 100 comes back at Tuesday, June 11th.

      The 100 6x06 Promo "Memento Mori" (HD) Season 6 Episode 6 Promo

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    • @kizo2703 Thanks for sharing the link. I will be waiting then☺️

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    • I agree with Kizo2703, she isn't smarter than clarke, she just had more time to learn and do things in almost 200 years.

      Also, writting books doesn't mean anything, there are lot of books in this world wrote by dumb people or written by smart people but false on many points and filled with mistakes and misconceptions...

      She spent almost 200 years searching for a way to have more nightbloods, while it took only days/weeks with a little bit of becca's researchs and only 1 nightblood, for clarke and her mother to create new nightbloods (clarke herself)...

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    • Anyone who watched 6x06 know by now that Clarke is alive (no, she's not well, yet).

      But, seems that Josephine's troubles are just beginning now. Can't wait for another week to see it. 😜

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    • I think Clarke's mum will know that it's Josephine who tricked her into making nightblood. Raven knows that Clarke is 'dead' and she's gonna tell Clarke's mum that, she asked help from Raven after all. Raven helped her fly the ship.

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    • @FANDOM user

      Maybe it will work, but what I do know Clark's mum is not in good relationship with Raven after everything thing that Raven hold here as responsible. I think Clark's mum will not consider it at the first, but she's like Clark herself, she will trick Josephine with one single question about here. There she will know. This is just what I think...

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    • @ KIZO2703

      HI there Now I know that Clark is alive but in another life, because she's with her father and she recognized that she has died. My point of view...

      But i have serious questions about this 06x06, please take a look at this moment during the show:

      00.07.57 Bellamy is locked up and ready to take Revenge... 00.11.40 Bellamy is free and he annonces Clark's death to Echo and Madi 00.20.33 Bellamy is locked up again 00.28.55 Madi said "Is Clark knows about this"

      First, I don't understand why Bellamy is free and did no action as promised to J. MURPHY and how did he managed to meet others.

      Second, why Madi is asking that question because she was previously be informed about Clark's death.

      Can you help me please to link these parts together.

      Thanks in advance.

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    • OK, let's cut off that crap once and for all: Clarke IS NOT dead, she IS NOT in another life.  She's now locked inside her mind. Watch the sneak peeks once again. And, watch the episode again, your times ARE WRONG.

      Madi asks that before anyone (except Bellamy and Murphy) knows that she's "dead". Bellamy is free because they let him go after he didn't kill Russell.

      Madi WAS NOT informed before because the whole plot in the castle, since J!Clarke coming to the room where Bellamy is locked in 'till the events in the tavern is happening within a couple of hours.

      The plot of every episode is happening within ONE SINGLE DAY.

      Is everything clear now?

      Just in case:

      Sneak Peek #1

      Sneak Peek #2

      Sneak Peek #3

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    • @kizo2703


      Sorry bro, I didn't mean to hurt you, I just saw Clark with his father but now I can believe that she's alive but stuck inside her own memories. I want to know how she will manage to get back in the real life.

      Thanks for your info.

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    • Luckily, there is no hurting (and it never was). Never the less, for those who still didn't get it:

      CLARKE IS ALIVE!

      The 100 6x07 Inside "Nevermind" (HD) Season 6 Episode 7 Inside

      The 100 6x07 Inside "Nevermind" (HD) Season 6 Episode 7 Inside

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    • Hello everyone ☺️☺️☺️

      This is crazy, Clark met Monty, Maya and ALI and ask her help!!! Definitely this show is driving me crazy, I am once more interested about how Josephine and Clark will end.

      But what I regret it the fact that Clark inside her memory didn't meet Jasper, Fine Collins. These guys really missed me. They one of then who captured my attention in the beginning of the show.

      Now, I'm worry that Octavia becomes the new RED QUEEN of Sanctum according to what the child of Gabriel said.

      I am also happy that they released many "Sneak Peeks" just to let people know that Clark is alive but in trouble inside her own memories.

      Thanks guys, this was my point of view, I hope I will learn more from you.

      Bye

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    • Clark and ALI [[1]]

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    • It's Clarke with an E, not Clark.

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    • @kizo2703

      Hi, it's been a while, the trick was to make someone react to it. And I'm glad that it's you. The page was inactive for many days.

      Now we know munch more about the next things that was hidden about Clark's death and Octavia problem. I'm not cool with the fact that Marcus left us in such sadness. I really appreciate him, always trying the Pacific way of a problem same as Tholenius (sorry for mistakes).

      My opinion about this show is that we are the main problem of our humanity , wherever we go whoever will be, the human being is a trouble maker. I personally think the show (The 100) talks about that.

      I'm afraid that we world in to witch we live end up in radiation because of one stupid person.

      Jasper Jordan was definitely right.


      Have a nice weekend...

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