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  • 604 "The Face Behind the Glass" episode discussion:
    What was your favorite part? What surprised you? What do you think will happen next?

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    Who are the good guys - 604 edition?
     
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    604 Surprise? Or not?
     
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    Addendum: we have a couple additonal threads for this episode: Is Clarke dead? and editing discussion.

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    • Assuming they get Clarke back by removing the Prime chip or whatever, maybe they can find a new body/host for Josephine. Like some Nightblood is already dying and the only way to preserve that person's body is to insert the chip, allowing Russ and Simone to have their child back but not at the expense of an innocent person. 

      Anyone else reminded of Stephanie Meyer's The Host? This episode and whole Prime/host ordeal reminds me so much of this movie.

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    • re:TheOmegaWerewolf

      A body severely injured & dying wouldn't work for Josephine (or other Primes) – it'd die. What you're looking for is a brain dead body. But there's a lack of Nightbloods – Sanctum used up all of theirs and Spacekru/Wonkru only had Clarke and Madi – so getting a brain dead Nightblood would require killing off Madi.

      Also, Russell and Simone have already had seven lives. Why do they and the other Primes deserve more lives then other people? I'm kinda on the "Death to Primes" side at the moment.


      There's plenty of examples in fiction of hosts being taken over. The one that came to me first is from the TV series Lucifer, Goddess took over the body of Charlotte Richards for a season. I reread Stephenie Meyer's The Host last year – which is more comparable. Also, Star Trek Borg & Dax, Supernatural Castiel by Lucifer, and a hundred other examples.

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    • Janus100 wrote:
      re:TheOmegaWerewolf

      A body severely injured & dying wouldn't work for Josephine (or other Primes) – it'd die. What you're looking for is a brain dead body. But there's a lack of Nightbloods – Sanctum used up all of theirs and Spacekru/Wonkru only had Clarke and Madi – so getting a brain dead Nightblood would require killing off Madi.

      Also, Russell and Simone have already had seven lives. Why do they and the other Primes deserve more lives then other people? I'm kinda on the "Death to Primes" side at the moment.


      You're right. They would need a brain dead host. I think that is what happened on the actual Host. The girl's brain did not come back to consciousness so they placed Wanda inside of her. There could be more Nightbloods outside of Sanctum's walls. After all, we really don't know what is out there. If they happened to find one who's brain is dying, then there would be no harm in placing Josephine inside of that host.

      As for the second part, they definitely don't deserve more lives than others. I don't agree with the royal blood thing at all, and I am guessing the Children of Gabriel don't like the "special privileges" the royals/Primes are given either. However, it's just their faith. They are just trying to keep the "wisdom" of the Primes passed down to each generation, just as the Commander had a part of their life passed down to each Nightblood.

      That being said, I don't agree with what the Sanctum Citizens do to the hosts. But i didn't agree with many of the brutal aspects of the Grounders faith either.  It just happens to be the traditions these people carry on.

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    • Really loved this episode. Octavia trying to save Rose... and eventually teaming up with Diyoza was my favorite moment. I definitely saw it coming last week, but it was satisfying. I knew at some point, they would try to make Clarke a Prime but I didn't expect it to be so soon. I also didn't think the Prime possession would suppress the host's mind.

      This season is surprisingly really good. When we get to the 6th season, most shows run out of ideas and new ways to keep the story interesting. But not these guys.

      All the characters also seem to be at their best. Sure, Bellamy hasn't done much but I'm sure that's preparing him to take on Josephine!Clarke.

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    • "This season is surprisingly really good. When we get to the 6th season, most shows run out of ideas and new ways to keep the story interesting. But not these guys."

      I know. I was worried going into the season that it would be too repetitive, and the new groups of people would be way too close to the Grounders to be all that interesting. This is the only time I am so glad I was wrong haha. Great season and one of my favorites so far. While the treaditions of Sanctum seem very similar to the traditions of the Grounders and their Heda, everything is very different at the same time and it makes for a very good season. 

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    • This episode was absolutely amazing. Episode 4 gave me a complete different view on plant Sanctum. Back in episode 3 everybody thought that Russell's people are the good guys. Now in really doubting whether they are the good guys. They seem so be very harsh. They basically use nightbloods to let the primes (possibly the settlers of Sanctum) live eternally. The skeletons in the room where Clarke laid down possibly were the bodies the primes already used to life, and they stored them there because they were used by the primes.


      Now we see that Josephine is brought back to life, the name "Children of Gabriel" makes more sense, since her boyfriend we saw back in episode 2 was Gabriel. Possibly he and his supporters formed a resistance movement against the practices of the primes. The actions the primes undertake because they believe they are divine, are so unhuman, that I can agree upon the aggression the Children of Gabriel have. It seems like Clarke and the rest are on the wrong side and the Children of Gabriel aren't so bad at all. The guy helping Clarke didn't look unreliable, especially when he said she has to get out of here.

      However, there are still so many question marks, like how did Becca's sign come to Sanctum (what does she have to do with it), why do Russell's people believe in the divinity, and who is the old man (Gabriel perhaps?) and who are the Children of Gabriel?

      Can't wait for the next episode(s)!!

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    • "Back in episode 3 everybody thought that Russell's people are the good guys. Now in really doubting whether they are the good guys."

      There are no good guys in the show, in my opinion. Every group of people, no matter what they thought of themselves as, have done and continue to do horrible things. 

      The traditions on Sanctum are brutal, no doubt, just like many traditions the Grounders carried on. It's just their way of life. Not a good one, but it's what so many people there worship and support within that group of people.

      With that being said, I don't think Russell is as bad of a person as he seems. He was willing to sacrifice one of the Primes (Kaylee) and her entire family by leaving them outside the shelter during the Red Sun just to save the rest of his people. There would be a good chance that he wouldn't be able to retrieve the chips either if the CoG stole the bodies and/or chips, thus placing an end to one whole line of Primes. 

      On another note, you could see it killed him to do what he did  to Clarke. He just wanted his daughter back so badly. Clarke is always willing to kill to save the peope she loves, even if those people are innocent or even those she considers her "friends".

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    • Echo said that queen Nia sent her to Detroit for training, I guess we finally know where the Azgade capital is. Hope JR gives us an updated map of earth at some point

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    • re:Detroit

      • Subtitles state Nia brought Echo to "Troy"... Thread:86485.
      • Given all clans lands were abandoned in season 4 and Earth abandoned the next season, we're unlikely to get any updated Earth maps. The show is now focused on other worlds. Maybe on social media as a Throwback Thursday image or in a BTS book - both of which are unlikely.
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