512 "Damocles (Part 1)" episode discussion:
What was your favorite part? What surprised you? What do you think will happen next?
512 "Damocles (Part 1)" episode discussion:
What was your favorite part? What surprised you? What do you think will happen next?
Am I the only one who believes Ethan really isn't dead. I just don't. They could have saved him, so if he does die, it would have been an unnecessary death.
He was shot several times in the chest, if I recall correctly? And there was no medical aid directly on sight. So he couldn't have been saved unless Abby stood right next to him, and even then it would've been tricky... But he's dead.
He was shot once.
Octavia and Echo are definitely going to be fighting side by side in the finale. Apart from Octavia's top soldiers like Cooper and Miller, Echo is the only key person who has supported Octavia's plan all along. And she's practically the one who led this rescue operation. I'm sure Octavia will start to believe in Echo.
And yes, Ethan is dead.
CANT WAIT!!!! so excited to see how Octavias redemeption will take place in possibly returning to a similar mindset to skairipa. Have a feeling that echo will die but in some heroic way leaving a path open for a possible bellarke union weve been waiting for. you guys have any theories on who will die?
Geez. I haven’t signed on here in forever lol. Anyway, good episode and I am curious to see how Octavia reacts to Maddie’s return. I also hope our heroes can save Gaya, because I really like the Indra and Gaya mother-daughter relationship.
Speaking of mother and daughter relationships, I got slightly teary eyed during the scene where Clarke finally realized Maddie wasn’t a little girl anymore and allowed her to go back and lead her people. I absolutely love how Clarke became a mother this season, and it really shows how much her charcter has grown since the beginning of the series. I sort of want to see Bellamy be more of a dad to Maddie, too haha.
On another note, can we please talk about Raven and Shaw. Their chemistry is great and if they both make it through this season, I would love for their relationship to be explored further.
And then there’s Diyoza and her baby girl. I wonder if the child will be born in the season finale, and if McCleary will be killed or try to run off with his baby.
After writing this post, I realized just how much this season has been filled with mother-daughter storylines and I love it! You have Abby-Clarke, Gaya-Indra, Clarke-Maddie, and Diyoza-Hope.
But my top pick to kill off anyone from SpaceKru would be Echo. I think the producers were aiming for some sort of sweet redemption story but at some point between 5x01 and 5x04 they lost track of that and she slipped back into her old sadistic ways. The way she spoke to Clarke, who saved her life? The way she wanted to kill Shaw? It's like echo's entire personality is her being a spy? And I don't think that's the women Bellamy fell in love with? So at this point, they should kill her off. Because they promoted Tasya to series regular just like Zach McGowan so if they kill her off they can keep their "this show kills off main charactres" quota they've been aiming at since S1.
Just a reminder that Echo was, is and will always be a spy. And she's the best spy. It's not something you learn. You have to be born this way. You need to be very intelligent, loyal and at the same time follow your brain's choices, not your heart's. It's like being a policeman or doctor from calling - you don't ever finish your job, not even after hours. You are your job. When she was up on the Ark there were no threats, no loyalty problems whatsoever. The second they got to the ground it turned out suddenly there's another conflict. And Echo chose her side - Spacekru. And she's doing all in her power, very smartly, to achieve her goal - helping Spacekru win. And if that means helping Octavia, so be it. In my eyes she's one of the best characters currently, she's not weighed down by emotions, she's following the logic of achieving her goal in any way possible. And she didn't kill Shaw, which wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly. And the way she spoke to Clarke? Have you seen the way Clarke spoke to her? If they kill her, we'd be down another character who follows her head not her heart and we would be left with... Um... Indra? Now-Drug-Addict Abby? Turned-Ruthless Octavia? Yeah, I think I'd stick with Echo, thank you.
Just a reminder that Echo was, is and will always be a spy. And she's the best spy. It's not something you learn. You have to be born this way. You need to be very intelligent, loyal and at the same time follow your brain's choices, not your heart's. It's like being a policeman or doctor from calling - you don't ever finish your job, not even after hours. You are your job. When she was up on the Ark there were no threats, no loyalty problems whatsoever. The second they got to the ground it turned out suddenly there's another conflict. And Echo chose her side - Spacekru. And she's doing all in her power, very smartly, to achieve her goal - helping Spacekru win. And if that means helping Octavia, so be it. In my eyes she's one of the best characters currently, she's not weighed down by emotions, she's following the logic of achieving her goal in any way possible. And she didn't kill Shaw, which wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly. And the way she spoke to Clarke? Have you seen the way Clarke spoke to her? If they kill her, we'd be down another character who follows her head not her heart and we would be left with... Um... Indra? Now-Drug-Addict Abby? Turned-Ruthless Octavia? Yeah, I think I'd stick with Echo, thank you.
I get that she is a spy. That's not the part that I don't like. She was useful in spying while in Diyoza's encampment. I liked that storyline a lot. But to me that's all she brings to the plot. And I was actually excited to see some background, some humanity behind that spy exterior. Like, who is Echo when you take off the warpaint and the spying.
And like you said, there was little spying to do on the ring. So she must have had other characteristics that somehow, Bellamy fell in love with. And I think that if you're going to profile Bellamy and Echo's relationship as some sort of dynamic duo, co-leaders and great lovestory, the producers should have been able to show us some change in her character that made that dynamic happen.
With Octavia, for example, she had been Blodreina for 6 years yet when the doors closed throughout the season, when she wasn't forced to be her because of the circumstances, we saw her cry. We saw Octavia underneath. And i think in that aspect they failed with Echo. She just slips too easy in that warpaint and those tendencies. There was room for more development but they just had off-focus reunions with Bellamy and then sharing loving glances.
As much as I like myself a ruthless and emotionless spy, if you're going to pair her up with someone like bellamy who is basically all emotion, then I as a viewer personally need to see some sort of middle ground where these two became a good match.
And I don't have anything against Echo as a character. But as the way she was written this season I was underwhelmed and I don't think the way they wrote her after the timejump contributed much to te overall story so in that aspect I wouldn't mind if they killed her off.
I think the way Echo is written is usually the best way to write convincing spy characters. You keep such a character mysterious and leave the door open that she can flip sides any time. If you write a predictable spy character and explore all of her back story, it takes away the point of such a character.
If they had shown us some good backstory to convince us that Echo is a good person who deserves Bellamy, it would have made her so predictable and boring. Her being able to make tough calls like betraying Raven, plotting to kill Shaw etc wouldn't have been as valuable if we knew her inside and out.
Now that she's proven herself, the writers can now dig in to explore her backstory. And honestly speaking, Echo spying and cheating isn't as bad as what Clarke and Bellamy have done before in the name of protecting their people. So, they should be the last people to judge her.