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  • 512 "Damocles (Part 1)" episode discussion:
    What was your favorite part? What surprised you? What do you think will happen next?

    What did you think of "Damocles (Part 1)"?
     
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    The poll was created at 01:08 on August 1, 2018, and so far 57 people voted.
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    • Is Kane dead?

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    • Tub200 wrote: Is Kane dead?

      I don't think so.

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    • "my brother, my responsiblity" fUCK 

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    • This episode was insane, one of the best so far. I nearly died when octavia sacrafied herself, in my eyes this is her redemption. I'm so sad that eathen died cause i really wanted to see his relationship with octavia and see what his relationship with maddie would be like. Marcus........ Hate you. Clarke..... Hate you. Apart from that, loved this episode.

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    • Tub200 wrote:
      Is Kane dead?

      Hope so lol

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    • For some stupid reason, I think that aliens would come to earth at the end of finale. But I doubt it will happen.

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    • Didn't really care too much for Ethan's death. He was barely used at all this season, probably because they didn't want to overshadow Madi's character as they are similar ages.

      I still support Kane, but Clarke is just annoying me now. 

      Lots of people seem to think that either Murphy or Kane will die in the next episode, I seriously hope not. I want Abby to bite it personally.

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    • Tub200 wrote:
      For some stupid reason, I think that aliens would come to earth at the end of finale. But I doubt it will happen.

      I think the valley gets bombed and everyone needs to leave earth..... again.

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    • FinStambler wrote:
      Didn't really care too much for Ethan's death. He was barely used at all this season, probably because they didn't want to overshadow Madi's character as they are similar ages.

      I still support Kane, but Clarke is just annoying me now. 

      Lots of people seem to think that either Murphy or Kane will die in the next episode, I seriously hope not. I want Abby to bite it personally.

      I wish that they explored Ethan's character more, for him and madi could maybe of had a brother/sister relationship which i think would've been great for both of the characters.  For the Season Finale i hope Kane and McCreary dies. I do have a funny feeling that Murphy will die though due to the promo.

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    • I liked the episode. I think Clarke has been in a "mommabear" role all this season and that arc sort of came to conclusion when she finally let Madi go. And I think in that decision both Echo and Madi, or Bellamy and Lexa respectively, played a role. Clarke finding out Bellamy wasn't that, and having to defend herself of caring about him... And then in comes Madi, talking to Clarke about how the commander is a strength, not a weakness (like Clarke sees it due to Lexa dying). I think Madi gets through to Clarke with the whole reminder of how Clarke has always done everything to protect her people, but in the end there are certain things she can't protect them from. And sometimes you can come to regret the choices made to achieve that. So yeah, I love the whole church thing and Clarke turning around at that.

      Do I hope Clarke manages to get on the same page with her friends again? Of course. But I don't see it happen this season. I think next season will (hopefully) be about healing, the way this season has been about breaking apart. And it's that fracturing that has made people upset, but all in all I don't think it's bad storytelling.

      I think it's a bit of a shame that they're trying to base all of this fracturing in the timejump though. Bellamy's sister became unrecognizable due to what she experienced in the bunker (ref Dark Year), Clarke had to betray Bellamy because in the timejump she got a daughter who took first priority. The people that have worked together for 4 seasons are now on opposite ends of the board and I think they may have played too much on the "it's been 6 years" and forget somewhere along the line that for the fans "it's been 5 seasons". We're invested in these characters and don't like to see them at odds. People also don't like to see the lives of these characters threatened over something that developed off-screen, which might have been the biggest flaw from this season, the lack of actually SHOWING what happened during the timejump. We got a total of what, 40 minutes, between 5x01 and the Dark Year shared?

      Anyways. I'm rambling here. Octavia 'seeing the light' parallelled Clarke, the two people who have been at odds with Bellamy and the SpaceKru gang. I just hope that the finale continues on the path towards recovery and isn't just one big battle sequence or whatever. 

      I didn't proof-read this comment so you're all warned. I'm just pressing reply :p

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    • Am I the only one who want Octavia and Clarke dead because how stupid they are in this S5?

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    • 193.245.40.72 wrote:
      Am I the only one who want Octavia and Clarke dead because how stupid they are in this S5?

      They both redeemed themselves in my eyes so im giving them another chance

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    • 193.245.40.72 wrote: Am I the only one who want Octavia and Clarke dead because how stupid they are in this S5?

      Octavia should have died when covering the overs. That would have made a great Warriors death moment. Clarke has been great this season. The whole momma bear story arc came full circle.

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    • I thought this was a lackluster episode. I really love what they did with Kane. The man who wants to save everyone has to make a deal with the monster to stop the devil, only to realize mcreary was just as bad brilliant! Vinson trying to kill Kane felt way out of left field. I thought they were building him up to help Abby and Kane, so I felt that sudden switch was unnecessary except for a shocking moment. Besides killing Kane does nothing for the story.

      The attack and ambush at the gorge had its ups and down. So what was the point to Ethan? Jaha's death did nothing for him nor did Madi or Octavia. They should have just scrapped the idea of him and his dad last season. I think the writers didn't know what to do with him. He's pretty much the equivalent of Aidan from uncle the dome. Shows shouldn't put characters like this in the show it always ends the same way. Also did anyone else notice they reused the same filming area used in the tinder box? That's so lazy for the people behind the scenes to do.

      This episode would have been the perfect episode to kill cop. Make her go out protecting Octavia. Miller getting wounded was stupid. After the Lexa fiasco we know they're not going to kill an LGBT character so why make it look like he's going to die. Indra should have been wounded instead of Gaia. Octavia seeing her mentor being wounded would have been more impactful. The scene where the prisoners were on patrol they should have had them shot the dead to make sure they were dead. Plus it fits with sadistic nature of Mcreary's men. The scene where Octavia is going to sacrifice herself would have been better if she or Murphy died. Plus what was the point of giving Murphy the gun since it never worked. That was dumb. Also Octavia realizing she broke wonkru happened too fast. She should have come to that realization in the finale. Plus really liked how Bellamy was like yes I want you to die great moment.

      I really like how they brought the Clarke story full circle. Clarke finally letting Madi go perfectly symbolizes raising a child. You do everything in your power to protect them and lead them on the right path until they move out and start that next stage in life. Clarke letting Madi go is her letting her step into that next stage.

      Raven and Shaw I didn't care much for cause the relationship just feels way too rushed like every relationship in the show. Echo was really great too, just wish they used her more in the season. She's grown into a great leader from a soldier.

      I really hope Shaw, Raven, Murphy, Indra or Octavia dies. Not all of them but at least one or two of them.

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    • I think a lot of people were expecting a death, and are still expecting it this season. People rooting for Clarke & Octavia to die because they've been the most in the way of peace makes sense. 

      I also think the show generally just has too many characters though. The show promoted Tasya to series regular while I can vaguely recall 5 specific scenes she in as a significant part of the scene. Meanwhile you have characters like Miller, Jackson and Harper that have been around since season one and have a far more deeper relationship to the main characters and they deserve storyarcs of their own. 

      I was surprised everyone in SpaceKru survived. So I'm totally expecting one of them to die this season. I've heard people talk of Murphy which I think would be a shame. Richard is an amazing actor, his character has a lot of potential between Memori and his redemption arc with Raven. I've seen people questioning the purpose of Monty and Harper and at this point I agree, the actors deserve better (someone should count how many lines Chris Larkin had, as a series regular since S1 it's ridiculous). If Monty and Harper were to die I wouldn't mind solely because the actors deserve better. But my top pick to kill off anyone from SpaceKru would be Echo. I think the producers were aiming for some sort of sweet redemption story but at some point between 5x01 and 5x04 they lost track of that and she slipped back into her old sadistic ways. The way she spoke to Clarke, who saved her life? The way she wanted to kill Shaw? It's like echo's entire personality is her being a spy? And I don't think that's the women Bellamy fell in love with? So at this point, they should kill her off. Because they promoted Tasya to series regular just like Zach McGowan so if they kill her off they can keep their "this show kills off main charactres" quota they've been aiming at since S1.

      As far as Wonkru goes, I agree that Indra would have been a more impactful death, and Gaia could have refused to go which would have jeopardized her life and her influence on the rest of Wonkru to follow the flame. It would have made Octavia's turn-around more meaningful. Especially with what Indra said about being willing to die in the pit last week. Miller getting shot was predictable, agreed, but that's because they had to shoot someone whose face we know. Ethan was a plothole they had to tie up. Miller would be the only injured one we would have felt something for. But as stated above, he's not dying either. And Niylah wasn't even in the battlefield. So no casualties there.

      I'm pretty sure they're killing off Kane in regards to Henry Ian Cusick's new show. So that was predictable. I thought it would be Diyoza so Vinson was an interesting twist. Seeing  his crush on Abby I had it in the back of my mind, but it was a creative way to kill off a character with political immunity.

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    • Jason Rothenberg confirm that Henry is coming back in Season 6

      https://www.tvinsider.com/704877/the-100-season-5-questions-answered/

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: I think a lot of people were expecting a death, and are still expecting it this season. People rooting for Clarke & Octavia to die because they've been the most in the way of peace makes sense. 

      I also think the show generally just has too many characters though. The show promoted Tasya to series regular while I can vaguely recall 5 specific scenes she in as a significant part of the scene. Meanwhile you have characters like Miller, Jackson and Harper that have been around since season one and have a far more deeper relationship to the main characters and they deserve storyarcs of their own. 

      I was surprised everyone in SpaceKru survived. So I'm totally expecting one of them to die this season. I've heard people talk of Murphy which I think would be a shame. Richard is an amazing actor, his character has a lot of potential between Memori and his redemption arc with Raven. I've seen people questioning the purpose of Monty and Harper and at this point I agree, the actors deserve better (someone should count how many lines Chris Larkin had, as a series regular since S1 it's ridiculous). If Monty and Harper were to die I wouldn't mind solely because the actors deserve better. But my top pick to kill off anyone from SpaceKru would be Echo. I think the producers were aiming for some sort of sweet redemption story but at some point between 5x01 and 5x04 they lost track of that and she slipped back into her old sadistic ways. The way she spoke to Clarke, who saved her life? The way she wanted to kill Shaw? It's like echo's entire personality is her being a spy? And I don't think that's the women Bellamy fell in love with? So at this point, they should kill her off. Because they promoted Tasya to series regular just like Zach McGowan so if they kill her off they can keep their "this show kills off main charactres" quota they've been aiming at since S1.

      As far as Wonkru goes, I agree that Indra would have been a more impactful death, and Gaia could have refused to go which would have jeopardized her life and her influence on the rest of Wonkru to follow the flame. It would have made Octavia's turn-around more meaningful. Especially with what Indra said about being willing to die in the pit last week. Miller getting shot was predictable, agreed, but that's because they had to shoot someone whose face we know. Ethan was a plothole they had to tie up. Miller would be the only injured one we would have felt something for. But as stated above, he's not dying either. And Niylah wasn't even in the battlefield. So no casualties there.

      I'm pretty sure they're killing off Kane in regards to Henry Ian Cusick's new show. So that was predictable. I thought it would be Diyoza so Vinson was an interesting twist. Seeing  his crush on Abby I had it in the back of my mind, but it was a creative way to kill off a character with political immunity.

      Jason Rothenberg confirmed that Henry is coming back for S6

      https://www.tvinsider.com/704877/the-100-season-5-questions-answered/

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    • Well since they said the same about Jaha and his 'recurring' status in S6, and he was killed off after 1 episode, I'm not getting my hopes up...

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: Well since they said the same about Jaha and his 'recurring' status in S6, and he was killed off after 1 episode, I'm not getting my hopes up...

      Do you mean Season 5?

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    • Tub200 wrote: Jason Rothenberg confirm that Henry is coming back in Season 6

      https://www.tvinsider.com/704877/the-100-season-5-questions-answered/

      Honestly they need to kill off Kane and Abby. I'm mad at Clarke too but I want her to work towards her redemption. And before you ask, I've always believed in Octavia. I hope Octavia and Madi can lead side by side next season.

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    • Tub200 wrote:

      TotallyTinkerbell wrote: Well since they said the same about Jaha and his 'recurring' status in S6, and he was killed off after 1 episode, I'm not getting my hopes up...

      Do you mean Season 5?

      Yup, sorry, that was a typo

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    • I have hope that Marcus will survive.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: I think a lot of people were expecting a death, and are still expecting it this season. People rooting for Clarke & Octavia to die because they've been the most in the way of peace makes sense. 

      I also think the show generally just has too many characters though. The show promoted Tasya to series regular while I can vaguely recall 5 specific scenes she in as a significant part of the scene. Meanwhile you have characters like Miller, Jackson and Harper that have been around since season one and have a far more deeper relationship to the main characters and they deserve storyarcs of their own. 

      I was surprised everyone in SpaceKru survived. So I'm totally expecting one of them to die this season. I've heard people talk of Murphy which I think would be a shame. Richard is an amazing actor, his character has a lot of potential between Memori and his redemption arc with Raven. I've seen people questioning the purpose of Monty and Harper and at this point I agree, the actors deserve better (someone should count how many lines Chris Larkin had, as a series regular since S1 it's ridiculous). If Monty and Harper were to die I wouldn't mind solely because the actors deserve better. But my top pick to kill off anyone from SpaceKru would be Echo. I think the producers were aiming for some sort of sweet redemption story but at some point between 5x01 and 5x04 they lost track of that and she slipped back into her old sadistic ways. The way she spoke to Clarke, who saved her life? The way she wanted to kill Shaw? It's like echo's entire personality is her being a spy? And I don't think that's the women Bellamy fell in love with? So at this point, they should kill her off. Because they promoted Tasya to series regular just like Zach McGowan so if they kill her off they can keep their "this show kills off main charactres" quota they've been aiming at since S1.

      As far as Wonkru goes, I agree that Indra would have been a more impactful death, and Gaia could have refused to go which would have jeopardized her life and her influence on the rest of Wonkru to follow the flame. It would have made Octavia's turn-around more meaningful. Especially with what Indra said about being willing to die in the pit last week. Miller getting shot was predictable, agreed, but that's because they had to shoot someone whose face we know. Ethan was a plothole they had to tie up. Miller would be the only injured one we would have felt something for. But as stated above, he's not dying either. And Niylah wasn't even in the battlefield. So no casualties there.

      I'm pretty sure they're killing off Kane in regards to Henry Ian Cusick's new show. So that was predictable. I thought it would be Diyoza so Vinson was an interesting twist. Seeing  his crush on Abby I had it in the back of my mind, but it was a creative way to kill off a character with political immunity.

      I definitely think there should be a death but killing Clarke is crazy. She's just a momma bear trying to protect her cub. I think everyone hating on Clarke just don't understand what it's like to raise a child. I think Octavia would be a heavy blow and prove no one's safe. I agree Exho shouldn't of been promoted Miller or Harper should have been promoted. I strongly disagree about Jackson though he's a C level character at best. Like you said we have way too many characters and not everyone is should have a big part. A character like Jackson is best suited to help develop other characters.

      I agree Richard is is an amazing actor but I don't think he needs a redemption arc with Raven. Murphy is one of my favorites but I've been really frustrated that his character is just doing the same thing this season. I think his death could push Emori into an interesting storyline. I feel like Jason and the writers banked everything on Clarke and the Blake siblings and Raven, and when they saw how much people responded they pushed Monty and later Harper to the background. It's a shame because Christopher and Chelsea are great actors. As for echo she was raised to be a spy spies act act a curtain way. Given she was raised that way she's not just going to change her whole personality in 6 years. I think I'd be interesting if they made Echo Madi's bodyguard. My top picks for a death from spacekru is either Murphy or Raven.

      Miller was predictable and Ethan was to tie up loose ends. I just wish they'd actually pull the trigger and kill Miller. We know Gaia will most likely survive so then we're left with Ethan and a bunch of redshirts, and let's be honest Ethan is pretty much a redshirt death.

      It's definitely a possibility that Kane might die, but I feel doing that alienates the adult Fanbase partly. Plus even though the delinquents are now adults I still feel like we need someone Kane's age to work with diyoza and the grounders. As much as I love Abby she can't pull it off like Kane can. Also from what I can tell Henry wound be a Series regular on the new show. Most of the time actors get priority in shows where they are Series regulars. Take Lauren Cohan for example, she's got the second top billing in her new show whiskey cavalier whereas in the walking dead she's third. So whiskey cavalier takes priority. Even though Henry is last in billing he's still higher than a recurring character like Miller. O he can play Kane as a series regular and be a recurring character in his new show. Also if his new show films near where the 100 films he can still film both shows.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      TotallyTinkerbell wrote: I think a lot of people were expecting a death, and are still expecting it this season. People rooting for Clarke & Octavia to die because they've been the most in the way of peace makes sense. 

      I also think the show generally just has too many characters though. The show promoted Tasya to series regular while I can vaguely recall 5 specific scenes she in as a significant part of the scene. Meanwhile you have characters like Miller, Jackson and Harper that have been around since season one and have a far more deeper relationship to the main characters and they deserve storyarcs of their own. 

      I was surprised everyone in SpaceKru survived. So I'm totally expecting one of them to die this season. I've heard people talk of Murphy which I think would be a shame. Richard is an amazing actor, his character has a lot of potential between Memori and his redemption arc with Raven. I've seen people questioning the purpose of Monty and Harper and at this point I agree, the actors deserve better (someone should count how many lines Chris Larkin had, as a series regular since S1 it's ridiculous). If Monty and Harper were to die I wouldn't mind solely because the actors deserve better. But my top pick to kill off anyone from SpaceKru would be Echo. I think the producers were aiming for some sort of sweet redemption story but at some point between 5x01 and 5x04 they lost track of that and she slipped back into her old sadistic ways. The way she spoke to Clarke, who saved her life? The way she wanted to kill Shaw? It's like echo's entire personality is her being a spy? And I don't think that's the women Bellamy fell in love with? So at this point, they should kill her off. Because they promoted Tasya to series regular just like Zach McGowan so if they kill her off they can keep their "this show kills off main charactres" quota they've been aiming at since S1.

      As far as Wonkru goes, I agree that Indra would have been a more impactful death, and Gaia could have refused to go which would have jeopardized her life and her influence on the rest of Wonkru to follow the flame. It would have made Octavia's turn-around more meaningful. Especially with what Indra said about being willing to die in the pit last week. Miller getting shot was predictable, agreed, but that's because they had to shoot someone whose face we know. Ethan was a plothole they had to tie up. Miller would be the only injured one we would have felt something for. But as stated above, he's not dying either. And Niylah wasn't even in the battlefield. So no casualties there.

      I'm pretty sure they're killing off Kane in regards to Henry Ian Cusick's new show. So that was predictable. I thought it would be Diyoza so Vinson was an interesting twist. Seeing  his crush on Abby I had it in the back of my mind, but it was a creative way to kill off a character with political immunity.

      I definitely think there should be a death but killing Clarke is crazy. She's just a momma bear trying to protect her cub. I think everyone hating on Clarke just don't understand what it's like to raise a child. I think Octavia would be a heavy blow and prove no one's safe. I agree Exho shouldn't of been promoted Miller or Harper should have been promoted. I strongly disagree about Jackson though he's a C level character at best. Like you said we have way too many characters and not everyone is should have a big part. A character like Jackson is best suited to help develop other characters.

      I agree Richard is is an amazing actor but I don't think he needs a redemption arc with Raven. Murphy is one of my favorites but I've been really frustrated that his character is just doing the same thing this season. I think his death could push Emori into an interesting storyline. I feel like Jason and the writers banked everything on Clarke and the Blake siblings and Raven, and when they saw how much people responded they pushed Monty and later Harper to the background. It's a shame because Christopher and Chelsea are great actors. As for echo she was raised to be a spy spies act act a curtain way. Given she was raised that way she's not just going to change her whole personality in 6 years. I think I'd be interesting if they made Echo Madi's bodyguard. My top picks for a death from spacekru is either Murphy or Raven.

      Miller was predictable and Ethan was to tie up loose ends. I just wish they'd actually pull the trigger and kill Miller. We know Gaia will most likely survive so then we're left with Ethan and a bunch of redshirts, and let's be honest Ethan is pretty much a redshirt death.

      It's definitely a possibility that Kane might die, but I feel doing that alienates the adult Fanbase partly. Plus even though the delinquents are now adults I still feel like we need someone Kane's age to work with diyoza and the grounders. As much as I love Abby she can't pull it off like Kane can. Also from what I can tell Henry wound be a Series regular on the new show. Most of the time actors get priority in shows where they are Series regulars. Take Lauren Cohan for example, she's got the second top billing in her new show whiskey cavalier whereas in the walking dead she's third. So whiskey cavalier takes priority. Even though Henry is last in billing he's still higher than a recurring character like Miller. O he can play Kane as a series regular and be a recurring character in his new show. Also if his new show films near where the 100 films he can still film both shows.

      I 70% - 80% agree with you, but I like your opinion and thought. :)

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    • JCB95 wrote: Even though Henry is last in billing…

      Last in billing is actually pretty high up. You'll notice they've always used "With Isaiah Washington And Henry Ian Cusick" – the "With" and the "And" are standard ways used to denote the higher billing of the last billings. Whenever new actors are added to the starring line-up, they're intentionally put before the "With", giving them a lower billing status. In TV-series, it's not unusual for more-experienced actors who're not the first/second billing to be given the last billing - depending on show, it's similar to another second or third billing. In the case of The 100, my guesstimate, it gives them billing status after Paige Turco but before Thomas McDonell / Bob Morley. (Even though Bellamy has always been more important character than Abby, Paige Turco has always been billed before Bob Morley.) Side note, in film, "With" billing often means famous actor with secondary role compared to other starring actors, but in TV, role-size is often similar in size to that of second/third/fourth billed person's role.

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    • JCB95 wrote:
      I thought this was a lackluster episode. I really love what they did with Kane. The man who wants to save everyone has to make a deal with the monster to stop the devil, only to realize mcreary was just as bad brilliant! Vinson trying to kill Kane felt way out of left field. I thought they were building him up to help Abby and Kane, so I felt that sudden switch was unnecessary except for a shocking moment. Besides killing Kane does nothing for the story.

      The attack and ambush at the gorge had its ups and down. So what was the point to Ethan? Jaha's death did nothing for him nor did Madi or Octavia. They should have just scrapped the idea of him and his dad last season. I think the writers didn't know what to do with him. He's pretty much the equivalent of Aidan from uncle the dome. Shows shouldn't put characters like this in the show it always ends the same way. Also did anyone else notice they reused the same filming area used in the tinder box? That's so lazy for the people behind the scenes to do.

      This episode would have been the perfect episode to kill cop. Make her go out protecting Octavia. Miller getting wounded was stupid. After the Lexa fiasco we know they're not going to kill an LGBT character so why make it look like he's going to die. Indra should have been wounded instead of Gaia. Octavia seeing her mentor being wounded would have been more impactful. The scene where the prisoners were on patrol they should have had them shot the dead to make sure they were dead. Plus it fits with sadistic nature of Mcreary's men. The scene where Octavia is going to sacrifice herself would have been better if she or Murphy died. Plus what was the point of giving Murphy the gun since it never worked. That was dumb. Also Octavia realizing she broke wonkru happened too fast. She should have come to that realization in the finale. Plus really liked how Bellamy was like yes I want you to die great moment.

      I really like how they brought the Clarke story full circle. Clarke finally letting Madi go perfectly symbolizes raising a child. You do everything in your power to protect them and lead them on the right path until they move out and start that next stage in life. Clarke letting Madi go is her letting her step into that next stage.

      Raven and Shaw I didn't care much for cause the relationship just feels way too rushed like every relationship in the show. Echo was really great too, just wish they used her more in the season. She's grown into a great leader from a soldier.

      I really hope Shaw, Raven, Murphy, Indra or Octavia dies. Not all of them but at least one or two of them.

      I totaly agree with you on the Ethan part, Even though he had such a small part to play in this season i really liked him and i feel as though it was so stupid adding him just to kill him 2 minutes after his first appearance. 

      I feel asthough the writers are trying to make there scenes more intense but are doing it the wrong way. Instead of killing off small/non exsistant characters kill of some main ones.

      I also totally agree with you on Indra getting shot that would've been way more impactful and would've made the episode so much better.

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    • Clarke should fake her death because if Madi is to become the commander she cant be looking up to Clarke or else it will show a weakness that people can exploit if they want to overthrow her rule

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    • @JCB95 most of your criticism seems to be based on the story YOU want to tell and not whether or not what they did is good and works for the characters and plot development that the show is doing.

      It's like those people who always assume a character should always make the best choices in life. The truth is, they're realistic, flawed humans, who make mistakes and wrong choices, and get faulty equipment that doesn't work.

      JCB95 wrote:

      Miller getting wounded was stupid. After the Lexa fiasco we know they're not going to kill an LGBT character so why make it look like he's going to die.

      Not everything in a show is about teasing death or creating suspense for fans whether a character will die or not. Miller getting hurt was supposed to serve two purposes:

      1. To make him unable to lead Wonkru back to the gorge since he's the highest ranking Octavia supporter left. As a result of this, Echo had to go get Madi.
      2. To amplify the urgent need for Wonkru to get to a place where they can get medical attention.

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      Indra should have been wounded instead of Gaia. Octavia seeing her mentor being wounded would have been more impactful.

      Indra being hurt instead continues to support Indra's theme of choosing to die in place of her daughter, which we saw in the pit. Octavia wasn't impacted because of seeing Gaia hurt. She was impacted by losing so many of Wonkru, feeling that she's let down Wonkru. That's what she cares the most about.

      JCB95 wrote:

      The scene where Octavia is going to sacrifice herself would have been better if she or Murphy died.

      Octavia not dying was more of a shocker than if she died since a lot of people thought Octavia would die. So, it would have been predictable. Plus not everything is about making emotional scenes with deaths. Sometimes it's about the next big story they want to tell. Like, think - if Raven died instead of just hurting her leg, we would have lost one of the most amazing characters and storylines.

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      Plus what was the point of giving Murphy the gun since it never worked. That was dumb.

      In the real world, people do get faulty weapons that don't work. The writers shouldn't just make everything work perfectly for our characters. Some things are supposed to work, some don't. It's reality. Besides, Murphy's machine gun worked - it just had the tendency to explode. And that was done to lighten the mood in an otherwise tense episode. Murphy has been the character with some of the funny moments this season.


      JCB95 wrote:

      Also Octavia realizing she broke wonkru happened too fast. She should have come to that realization in the finale.

      Octavia didn't just realize she broke Wonkru. She's known that since the moment she torched the hydrofarm. That's why she hasn't even been trying to act as their leader since then. They simply pretty much followed her. She admitted it out loud now instead of the finale because that's the turning point that's going to be critical in the final battle in the finale as she and Madi work together.

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    • Starforce13 wrote: @JCB95 most of your criticism seems to be based on the story YOU want to tell and not whether or not what they did is good and works for the characters and plot development that the show is doing.

      It's like those people who always assume a character should always make the best choices in life. The truth is, they're realistic, flawed humans, who make mistakes and wrong choices, and get faulty equipment that doesn't work.

      JCB95 wrote:

      Miller getting wounded was stupid. After the Lexa fiasco we know they're not going to kill an LGBT character so why make it look like he's going to die.

      Not everything in a show is about teasing death or creating suspense for fans whether a character will die or not. Miller getting hurt was supposed to serve two purposes:

      1. To make him unable to lead Wonkru back to the gorge since he's the highest ranking Octavia supporter left. As a result of this, Echo had to go get Madi.
      2. To amplify the urgent need for Wonkru to get to a place where they can get medical attention.

      JCB95 wrote:

      Indra should have been wounded instead of Gaia. Octavia seeing her mentor being wounded would have been more impactful.

      Indra being hurt instead continues to support Indra's theme of choosing to die in place of her daughter, which we saw in the pit. Octavia wasn't impacted because of seeing Gaia hurt. She was impacted by losing so many of Wonkru, feeling that she's let down Wonkru. That's what she cares the most about.

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      The scene where Octavia is going to sacrifice herself would have been better if she or Murphy died.

      Octavia not dying was more of a shocker than if she died since a lot of people thought Octavia would die. So, it would have been predictable. Plus not everything is about making emotional scenes with deaths. Sometimes it's about the next big story they want to tell. Like, think - if Raven died instead of just hurting her leg, we would have lost one of the most amazing characters and storylines.

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      Plus what was the point of giving Murphy the gun since it never worked. That was dumb.

      In the real world, people do get faulty weapons that don't work. The writers shouldn't just make everything work perfectly for our characters. Some things are supposed to work, some don't. It's reality. Besides, Murphy's machine gun worked - it just had the tendency to explode. And that was done to lighten the mood in an otherwise tense episode. Murphy has been the character with some of the funny moments this season.


      JCB95 wrote:

      Also Octavia realizing she broke wonkru happened too fast. She should have come to that realization in the finale.

      Octavia didn't just realize she broke Wonkru. She's known that since the moment she torched the hydrofarm. That's why she hasn't even been trying to act as their leader since then. They simply pretty much followed her. She admitted it out loud now instead of the finale because that's the turning point that's going to be critical in the final battle in the finale as she and Madi work together.

      It's not the story I want to tell I just think I'd make the story better.

      We didn't need Miller being wounded to show urgent it was for them to get medical assistance. Alll we would have needed was to see them rushing a bunch of redshirts in. Also I think it would have worked better if copper was still around. Miller could still be wounded, but copper could serve as a casualty in the war.

      Octavia could have been impacted by not just the loss of her people but also by her mentor/teacher being wounded. Indra being wounded by that horrific weapon could have been a massive blow to Octavia.

      For me I knew she was going to survive. Octavia dying could bring her story full circle. Growing up in a world where she didn't it or belong now she's found a place that she feels like she belongs going out for her people she would be a hero. I wouldn't of cared if Raven died her story has been stale for 3 seasons now.

      I understand that weaponry can be faulty, but Shaw is with them. Your telling me he doesn't have the slightest idea of how to work the gun. I don't believe that. I love Murphy but he's annoyed me this season. He's just doing the same thing, he shouldn't of been the same character he should have been more of a team player the whole season. Also none of his scenes this season came off as funny just him being a a**whole.

      If she was supposed to realize she broke wonkru when she burned the farm down they didn't do a good job of showing it. The scene just came off as Octavia showing just how dark she can be. At that moment she was unredeemable for me.

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    • @JCB95 Wounding a bunch of redshirts wouldn't have the same impact as wounding Miller and Gaia. We wouldn't have cared if they get medical attention. If Miller was still fine, he would have led people back and Echo wouldn't have felt compelled to come to Madi, which led to the main plot for these 2 episodes.

      I agree that if they delayed Cooper's death to this episode, it would have been more useful. Her death felt unnecessary tbh.

      Yes, Raven and Shaw could have fixed the machine gun, but they didn't have time to. Raven prevented it from blowing up the first time but they parted ways right after that. They left Emori to fix it but she couldn't because she's not nearly as an expert as Raven and Shaw.

      I used to dislike Murphy but he's changed a lot. He used to be a bully and the one who ruined their plans all the time. But this time, he's working as part of a team and risking his life so many times for them. He's made more development than most characters. Honestly, I don't know how you don't see that.

      You can't go around killing characters just for the sake of bringing their story to "full circle." Instead, you can use that to help develop the next story. That's what creative writers do. And yes, you can tell what a character feels through emotions, without them spelling it out for you. Look at Octavia's face as she leaves Polis and throughout the journey. You can tell she feels guilty and doesn't feel worthy as their leader. She hasn't even had the courage to address them. Miller is the one who has been rallying people after her.

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    • Starforce13 wrote: @JCB95 Wounding a bunch of redshirts wouldn't have the same impact as wounding Miller and Gaia. We wouldn't have cared if they get medical attention. If Miller was still fine, he would have led people back and Echo wouldn't have felt compelled to come to Madi, which led to the main plot for these 2 episodes.

      I agree that if they delayed Cooper's death to this episode, it would have been more useful. Her death felt unnecessary tbh.

      Yes, Raven and Shaw could have fixed the machine gun, but they didn't have time to. Raven prevented it from blowing up the first time but they parted ways right after that. They left Emori to fix it but she couldn't because she's not nearly as an expert as Raven and Shaw.

      I used to dislike Murphy but he's changed a lot. He used to be a bully and the one who ruined their plans all the time. But this time, he's working as part of a team and risking his life so many times for them. He's made more development than most characters. Honestly, I don't know how you don't see that.

      You can't go around killing characters just for the sake of bringing their story to "full circle." Instead, you can use that to help develop the next story. That's what creative writers do. And yes, you can tell what a character feels through emotions, without them spelling it out for you. Look at Octavia's face as she leaves Polis and throughout the journey. You can tell she feels guilty and doesn't feel worthy as their leader. She hasn't even had the courage to address them. Miller is the one who has been rallying people after her.

      Wounding redshirts can be compelling as long as you do it right. Like I said though you can wound the redshirts, Miller and if she had survived copper. Then you can show the urgency of needing medical aide as well as having wonkru suffering a loss. Just seeing a bunch of redshirts die softens the blow to wonkru. It doesn't make it look like wonkru lost a lot. I think Miller going back would have been interesting. Octavia being pinned down and forced to watch her people get slaughtered, that would have been gut wrenching.

      An easy fix for the gun would be it was fixed off camera. Just having it be faulty just made for stupid scenes. At the beginning of the season spacekru mentioned he had separated himself from them during the six years. At the beginning of the season he was on the outside of the group and was just doing wherever to survive. Murphy has been stale this season and don't forget it's his fault Mcreary took over the valley.

      I agree you can't just go around killing characters off, but if the story fits then go for it. You can always make a new storyline for the next season, but I feel like it's a hit or miss with the writers of the 100. Raven for example never transinsions well. She's just doing same thing Season to season. A death would greatly improve the finale, because we've only lost a bunch of redshirts from wonkru if that's all e lose it makes wonkru look weak. The same goes toot spacekru, not everyone can have a happy ending. Also Octavia's facial expressions just come off as her trying too hard to be ad and annoyed which I blame on Marie's bad acting.

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    • I agree. Killing a more notable character would have made Wonkru's blow more hitting. Like they could have even killed Niylah or Brell who haven't done much but are still notable.

      For the gun thing, it's not about fixing the gun on or off camera. It's about making it realistic for the story behind it. After they realized they were double-crossed, they called Monty right away and after the call, they parted ways. So, Shaw or Raven couldn't have worked on the gun. Behind the scenes and the story being told are two different things, if that makes sense.

      I think there will be a major death or two in the finale.

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    • Starforce13 wrote: I agree. Killing a more notable character would have made Wonkru's blow more hitting. Like they could have even killed Niylah or Brell who haven't done much but are still notable.

      For the gun thing, it's not about fixing the gun on or off camera. It's about making it realistic for the story behind it. After they realized they were double-crossed, they called Monty right away and after the call, they parted ways. So, Shaw or Raven couldn't have worked on the gun. Behind the scenes and the story being told are two different things, if that makes sense.

      I think there will be a major death or two in the finale.

      Niylah probably won't die since she's an LGBT character. I definitely agree they need a death from wonkru in the finale. They've been building up to this battle with the prisoners and wonkru for so long that the first skirmish came off weak. The next one should be incredible otherwise the buildup was for nothing.

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    • Yep Ethan is confirmed dead, RIP.

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    • Am I the only one who believes Ethan really isn't dead. I just don't. They could have saved him, so if he does die, it would have been an unnecessary death. 

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    • Riverdalers wrote:
      Am I the only one who believes Ethan really isn't dead. I just don't. They could have saved him, so if he does die, it would have been an unnecessary death. 

      He was shot several times in the chest, if I recall correctly? And there was no medical aid directly on sight. So he couldn't have been saved unless Abby stood right next to him, and even then it would've been tricky... But he's dead.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      Riverdalers wrote:
      Am I the only one who believes Ethan really isn't dead. I just don't. They could have saved him, so if he does die, it would have been an unnecessary death. 
      He was shot several times in the chest, if I recall correctly? And there was no medical aid directly on sight. So he couldn't have been saved unless Abby stood right next to him, and even then it would've been tricky... But he's dead.

      He was shot once.

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    • ethan was shot in the head if im not mistaken

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    • Octavia and Echo are definitely going to be fighting side by side in the finale. Apart from Octavia's top soldiers like Cooper and Miller, Echo is the only key person who has supported Octavia's plan all along. And she's practically the one who led this rescue operation. I'm sure Octavia will start to believe in Echo.

      And yes, Ethan is dead.

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    • CANT WAIT!!!! so excited to see how Octavias redemeption will take place in possibly returning to a similar mindset to skairipa. Have a feeling that echo will die but in some heroic way leaving a path open for a possible bellarke union weve been waiting for. you guys have any theories on who will die?

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    • Geez. I haven’t signed on here in forever lol. Anyway, good episode and I am curious to see how Octavia reacts to Maddie’s return. I also hope our heroes can save Gaya, because I really like the Indra and Gaya mother-daughter relationship.

      Speaking of mother and daughter relationships, I got slightly teary eyed during the scene where Clarke finally realized Maddie wasn’t a little girl anymore and allowed her to go back and lead her people. I absolutely love how Clarke became a mother this season, and it really shows how much her charcter has grown since the beginning of the series. I sort of want to see Bellamy be more of a dad to Maddie, too haha.

      On another note, can we please talk about Raven and Shaw. Their chemistry is great and if they both make it through this season, I would love for their relationship to be explored further.

      And then there’s Diyoza and her baby girl. I wonder if the child will be born in the season finale, and if McCleary will be killed or try to run off with his baby.

      After writing this post, I realized just how much this season has been filled with mother-daughter storylines and I love it! You have Abby-Clarke, Gaya-Indra, Clarke-Maddie, and Diyoza-Hope.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote:

      But my top pick to kill off anyone from SpaceKru would be Echo. I think the producers were aiming for some sort of sweet redemption story but at some point between 5x01 and 5x04 they lost track of that and she slipped back into her old sadistic ways. The way she spoke to Clarke, who saved her life? The way she wanted to kill Shaw? It's like echo's entire personality is her being a spy? And I don't think that's the women Bellamy fell in love with? So at this point, they should kill her off. Because they promoted Tasya to series regular just like Zach McGowan so if they kill her off they can keep their "this show kills off main charactres" quota they've been aiming at since S1.

      Just a reminder that Echo was, is and will always be a spy. And she's the best spy. It's not something you learn. You have to be born this way. You need to be very intelligent, loyal and at the same time follow your brain's choices, not your heart's. It's like being a policeman or doctor from calling - you don't ever finish your job, not even after hours. You are your job. When she was up on the Ark there were no threats, no loyalty problems whatsoever. The second they got to the ground it turned out suddenly there's another conflict. And Echo chose her side - Spacekru. And she's doing all in her power, very smartly, to achieve her goal - helping Spacekru win. And if that means helping Octavia, so be it. In my eyes she's one of the best characters currently, she's not weighed down by emotions, she's following the logic of achieving her goal in any way possible. And she didn't kill Shaw, which wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly. And the way she spoke to Clarke? Have you seen the way Clarke spoke to her?  If they kill her, we'd be down another character who follows her head not her heart and we would be left with... Um... Indra? Now-Drug-Addict Abby? Turned-Ruthless Octavia? Yeah, I think I'd stick with Echo, thank you.

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    • Efadfa wrote:

      Just a reminder that Echo was, is and will always be a spy. And she's the best spy. It's not something you learn. You have to be born this way. You need to be very intelligent, loyal and at the same time follow your brain's choices, not your heart's. It's like being a policeman or doctor from calling - you don't ever finish your job, not even after hours. You are your job. When she was up on the Ark there were no threats, no loyalty problems whatsoever. The second they got to the ground it turned out suddenly there's another conflict. And Echo chose her side - Spacekru. And she's doing all in her power, very smartly, to achieve her goal - helping Spacekru win. And if that means helping Octavia, so be it. In my eyes she's one of the best characters currently, she's not weighed down by emotions, she's following the logic of achieving her goal in any way possible. And she didn't kill Shaw, which wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly. And the way she spoke to Clarke? Have you seen the way Clarke spoke to her?  If they kill her, we'd be down another character who follows her head not her heart and we would be left with... Um... Indra? Now-Drug-Addict Abby? Turned-Ruthless Octavia? Yeah, I think I'd stick with Echo, thank you.

      I get that she is a spy. That's not the part that I don't like. She was useful in spying while in Diyoza's encampment. I liked that storyline a lot. But to me that's all she brings to the plot. And I was actually excited to see some background, some humanity behind that spy exterior. Like, who is Echo when you take off the warpaint and the spying.

      And like you said, there was little spying to do on the ring. So she must have had other characteristics that somehow, Bellamy fell in love with. And I think that if you're going to profile Bellamy and Echo's relationship as some sort of dynamic duo, co-leaders and great lovestory, the producers should have been able to show us some change in her character that made that dynamic happen. 

      With Octavia, for example, she had been Blodreina for 6 years yet when the doors closed throughout the season, when she wasn't forced to be her because of the circumstances, we saw her cry. We saw Octavia underneath. And i think in that aspect they failed with Echo. She just slips too easy in that warpaint and those tendencies. There was room for more development but they just had off-focus reunions with Bellamy and then sharing loving glances.

      As much as I like myself a ruthless and emotionless spy, if you're going to pair her up with someone like bellamy who is basically all emotion, then I as a viewer personally need to see some sort of middle ground where these two became a good match.

      And I don't have anything against Echo as a character. But as the way she was written this season I was underwhelmed and I don't think the way they wrote her after the timejump contributed much to te overall story so in that aspect I wouldn't mind if they killed her off. 

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    • I think the way Echo is written is usually the best way to write convincing spy characters. You keep such a character mysterious and leave the door open that she can flip sides any time. If you write a predictable spy character and explore all of her back story, it takes away the point of such a character.

      If they had shown us some good backstory to convince us that Echo is a good person who deserves Bellamy, it would have made her so predictable and boring. Her being able to make tough calls like betraying Raven, plotting to kill Shaw etc wouldn't have been as valuable if we knew her inside and out.

      Now that she's proven herself, the writers can now dig in to explore her backstory. And honestly speaking, Echo spying and cheating isn't as bad as what Clarke and Bellamy have done before in the name of protecting their people. So, they should be the last people to judge her.

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