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  • 511 "The Dark Year" episode discussion:
    What was your favorite part? What surprised you? What do you think will happen next?

    What did you think of "The Dark Year"?
     
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    The poll was created at 00:57 on July 25, 2018, and so far 53 people voted.
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    • THe part where they have to eat the human meat is the one of the most DISGUSTING thing I EVER see on this show!!!!!!!!!

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    • When Bellamy and Echo are conversing over the radio in Trig, I think that it revealed the Trig word for pilot to be maverick. Interesting Top Gun reference. I also saw early on that Wonkru probably had to resort to cannibalism to survive. It was one of the worst things that they would have to go through so that's probably what would happen.

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    • I really liked the concept of the show when it first aired and enjoyed the presence of every character, but after watching this last episode I have a couple things I can’t get over. First, it seems that every season they introduce one big issue that takes 12 episodes to play out and then 1 finale episode to introduce the next problem. Second, Aside from seasons 1 and 2, I have a hard time taking the show seriously because of how dramatic it is as well as I feel NO connection right now to any of the characters besides one. I do not like Clarke's "I know everything attitude", Octavia's "I need to be the leader ego", Monty's "I guess I'll do it if you ask me twice 'pushoverness', Abby's "Doctor turned drug addict phase". The only person I can connect with is Bellamy because I think he even knows how ridiculous this show and its characters are getting. The show had a grim start as 100 teenagers were sent to see if the earth was habitable after a nuclear war but the producers were still able to bring life, excitement, energy and even happiness to moments were you thought there could be none. Now, I just feel that the show is being dragged along with a dark and gloom mood to it. TBT to when Murphy, Raven, Monty and many more had more than oneliners in an episode. This show can still be great even if it dials back how dramatic it is by 20 notches. Regardless, I will still watch the show for as long as it will be on but I really wish it aired 10 years ago and I could just binge watch it because it's hardly keeping my attention at the moment.


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    • I almost puked on the human meat part cos I already ate lol. But I loved Octavia badass.

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    • Shaw and Raven are beautiful and glorious and everything Raven (and we as a fandom) deserve

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    • IT WAS YOU CLARKE, YOU WERE THE HERO ALL ALONG!

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    • Hey guys... I'm back... and I got a lot to say... so I will return later with a review of this episode, followed by a (leading into the finale) forum post. Something that everyone can enjoy or everyone can hate. I'm ready to be ripped apart by you guys. Bring it on. 

      So here's the TL;DR of my blah blah. This episode wasn't the best of the season but I want to give a freaking award to Marie for putting on a stellar performance this season. She's played Octavia very well with what the writers wanted to make O. A broken spirit struggling for redemption and not being able to find it. 

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    • This episode definitely isn’t the best of the season, but it stands out in one key aspect that other episodes don’t… it’s probably the best use of backstory in any of the other episodes to date. This includes 5x01 and 5x02 due to the fact that this one uses the backstory as a weave, filtering in and out of “present day” in order to explain the rise and fall of Wonkru. 

      Before the episode started, I feared the Octavia would fall into “Pike Syndrome”. Her character has been not so much an antagonist this season, but she has odds against Clarke and Bellamy who are revered as the heroes of the show. What “Pike Syndrome” is, is showing a character’s radical beliefs like Pike in Season 3 and then showing many episodes later (in Pike’s case I believe it was 13 episodes into the season) why they’re doing what they’re doing. I was wrong.

      Octavia actually has a compelling arc this season. That’s a pretty bold thing to say, I know, but the fact of the matter is, that she actually has a reason for everything that she does. I see her being attacked on by a part of the 100 community, and that isn’t what I want to see in a community of a show that is probably my favorite. And I could (probably) change your mind about what is happening. 

      Switch Clarke with Octavia… would we be having this same problem. Maybe, but it’s unlikely. Why? It’s in Clarke’s character to make difficult decisions… and Octavia had to make a lot of difficult decisions in the bunker, and this “weave” that I described shows it very well.

      The rest of the episode was pretty lackluster… you have the Shaw and Raven ship “Sailing” I guess and Kane and Diyoza betraying Wonkru. Those things piss me off a lot, but in Kane’s character it almost makes sense.

      Almost.

      I don’t want to see Kane leave this season, but I do think that there’s no more that can be done to his character. Same thing goes for Abby… there’s really nothing left for her, also she’s a junkie and her decision-making isn’t exactly straight right now. I think they’ll both survive at the end of the season, but I’d much rather if their characters be left at their apex of development. 

      Madi has surprised me this season. I’m genuinely surprised at her character. I like her character a lot more than I thought I would, she’s making more sense than some of the characters on this show. This could be because of the flame and that’s fine… but I really want to see more of her character… the last natblida (I think that’s how you spell it). 

      I want to touch on that scene in the bunker. You know which one I’m talking about… Marie did a fantastic job in her acting. The moment she puts that gun to the man’s chest is heart wrenching. No one else understood as to why she was doing what she was doing, you could see that. In her heart, she knew that this would be their best way out, instead of atrophy and a slow descent into starvation and collapse. Everyone else, nope. They were terrified, she was forcing them to be cannibals, but she wasn’t doing it to be a bad person. In fact, she was doing it out of mercy. Sure doesn’t seem like it, but it was. Fantastic acting… that’s definitely in my top 5 best acted scenes of the Series as a whole. 

      There’s more of this ranting bullcrap in a forum post that I’m going to do in breaking down the characters. If you want to yell at me and say “You’re wrong because of ___ and ___” or “I agree with you on ___ and ___” I encourage you to do so. I’ll play devil’s advocate for each of the characters as well… pros and cons style. You know why… because I’m an a******e. I want to have my mind changed, no one has changed it in awhile. I challenge you, random person who somehow got through this whole thing and hate me or like me because of it. Good luck

      Yours Truly,

      Master of Angels 

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    • There was no reason to force someone to cannibalism. First they decide to kill people because there will be no enough food for all, then later they decide to force people to eat human flesh to save them from starvation: WHAT !!!! It is not logical. The only way out here is to leave everything to the free will. People are always ready to give their lives to save the loved ones (for example in the last few days on the Arc). 

      That's why it's not comparable to what Clark did in Mount Weather. There were no other options, it was kill or be killed. And getting worse and hoping for a happy ending is not the best way to justify earlier wrong decisions.

      This season has not convinced me yet. It is not enough to put people in similar hopeless situations. It must be a development, a lesson from the past, or none at all. What Clark is doing now because of Madi is stupidly nonsensical.

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    • 95.222.214.93 wrote:
      There was no reason to force someone to cannibalism. First they decide to kill people because there will be no enough food for all, then later they decide to force people to eat human flesh to save them from starvation: WHAT !!!! It is not logical. The only way out here is to leave everything to the free will. People are always ready to give their lives to save the loved ones (for example in the last few days on the Arc). 

      That's why it's not comparable to what Clark did in Mount Weather. There were no other options, it was kill or be killed. And getting worse and hoping for a happy ending is not the best way to justify earlier wrong decisions.

      This season has not convinced me yet. It is not enough to put people in similar hopeless situations. It must be a development, a lesson from the past, or none at all. What Clark is doing now because of Madi is stupidly nonsensical.

      You ever see a body atrophy? It's disgusting... more disgusting than cannibalism 

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    • I found this episode disappointing. Since the beginning of the season we've been hearing people mention the dark year and hear how it was forbidden to even mention, and when this episode came out it just felt weak compared to what it felt they were building up to. While cannibalism is a horrific and dark story I was expecting much worse. Maybe it was just me but I predicted wonkru becoming cannibals so it wasn't that shocking. Also at first I thought we'd also get backstory as to what caused Abby to be an addict. Are we just supposed to presume that the episodes events lead to her addiction? Also Jason's tweet about not knowing how they got by the censorship rules doesn't make much sense.

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    • I think that the flashbacks were effective and made me feel wonkrus pain, but I do agree that the buildup did not pay off. If it were me i would of incorporated this story around episode 7 to add more context to octaviea, kane and abby agenda's and it would come at a time when we all had an idea of cannibalism but not seen how far gone octavia was. That may have been more effective. 

      Abby was an addict before the dark year as jakson express concern for her overuse of pain killers in the red queen episode. I think she originally used the dugs to help her deal with the presume loss of clarke but now it is to help her with her guilt of the dark year and taking away kane's choice. Sorry if my spelling is bad.

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    • I am getting annoyed with Bellamy because he still doesn't know what happened and Indra shouldn't be siding with him. But I also don't hate him because Octavia and he are siblings so their gonna fight and not get along, it's what siblings do. I think we shouldn't hate them for saying rude things to each other because deep down we all know that Octavia is Bellamy's family and that they love each other.

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    • Octavia is being destroyed from the inside out as I can see, everybody is turning the back on her.

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    • Big kudos for a TV show that few dare to touch. This is as brutal as it gets. I laughed at the comments which said "There is a better way" or "They should have a choice". Read the history please. There were many sieges that residents of town or the city ended up resorting to cannibalism to survive. It's horrible, but at the time it was the only choice they had. It's very interesting to see a show dare to show such this hidden dark side of humanity. However, do you think Octavia really had a choice at that time? She did ask Kane for a different solution, but Kane couldn't. Do you think you have an alternative solution for their desperate situation? Be real. There was none, which makes the show more realistic than most other "fancy" sci-fi shows.

      On another matter, Kane and Diyoza just pretended to defect to the McCreary camp. The whole attacking plan, which  Bellamy laid out to Octavia, was obviously drew up by Diyoza. She wouldn't sabotage her own plan. So it's very likely that she and Kane were acting as trojan horse. They will give the prisoner camp a big surprise, when the time comes. Also Kane himself went through the dark year. He understood Octavia's reasons of canibalism. So even he thinks Octavias is the "devil", but she is the "devil" he knows. On the other hand, McCreary is very unpredictive. He's dying so he got nothing to loose. Plus the ship has all kinds of modern weapon, which can level the whole village. So this "monster" is much more dangerous than the "devil". That's why Kane will not really help McCreary.

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    • I really enjoyed this episode, it was one of the best in my opinion. I loved everything that was happening between Clarke and Abby and the flash backs to the dark year. This episode really made me understand why Octavia is the way she is and to be fair i don't really blame her. There was only one thing that is annoying me atm with the 100 which is that the flame is still around. I really thought that we left that storyline in season 4 but i guess i was wrong. I really hope it doesn't continue into season 6 because its kinda getting old. 

      Overall it was a really good episode though. 

      (This is my opinion btw, please don't hate me :))

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    • 95.222.214.93 wrote:
      There was no reason to force someone to cannibalism. First they decide to kill people because there will be no enough food for all, then later they decide to force people to eat human flesh to save them from starvation: WHAT !!!! It is not logical. The only way out here is to leave everything to the free will. People are always ready to give their lives to save the loved ones (for example in the last few days on the Arc). 

      Actually, that's the definition of logical. Doing the right thing to save *everyone* no matter what people want, is logical. It's survival.  Free will? Have you seen how grounders operate? They usually don't do "the right thing" if it's against their rules. And they have different rules than Sky People. Sky People were ALWAYS about surviving untill they can get to Earth safely. Grounders weren't, they were about surviving too, sure, but surviving as a tribe, not as human race. They wouldn't and didn't choose cannibalism, which I understand, but it was unlogical. It would screw everyone up.

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    • Efadfa wrote:
      95.222.214.93 wrote:
      There was no reason to force someone to cannibalism. First they decide to kill people because there will be no enough food for all, then later they decide to force people to eat human flesh to save them from starvation: WHAT !!!! It is not logical. The only way out here is to leave everything to the free will. People are always ready to give their lives to save the loved ones (for example in the last few days on the Arc). 
      Actually, that's the definition of logical. Doing the right thing to save *everyone* no matter what people want, is logical. It's survival. 

      Free will? Have you seen how grounders operate? They usually don't do "the right thing" if it's against their rules. And they have different rules than Sky People. Sky People were ALWAYS about surviving untill they can get to Earth safely. Grounders weren't, they were about surviving too, sure, but surviving as a tribe, not as human race. They wouldn't and didn't choose cannibalism, which I understand, but it was unlogical. It would screw everyone up.

      I agree... when you're in that sort of scenario, it's more about surviving than it it about morals... That being said, that scene when people were rejecting caniballism with Octavia shooting those who didn't was gruesome. And I think most people disagree with that decision, but it was either that or die drowning in your own blood.

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    • The thing that has me confused, why did Wonkru have to resort to cannabilism to survive, but Spacekru lasted for 6 years on algae? Unless algae has some miraculous properties I'm unaware of, surely Spacekru would've died long ago. 

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