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  • No one has started the discussion on the newest episode, so I'm going to start one myself. What did you guys think of last night's episode 5x01 Eden? Did it live up to your expectations, or did it fall flat? 

    I'll post my full analysis later. 

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    • I like it, it was different then other episodes

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    • I thought it great! It was everything I was expecting plus more! I liked how the directors tried to evenly split the space and ground stories. I was a little disappointed that we couldn't see much of  life in the bunker, though by the looks of the trailer for episode two we will be seeing the bunker. One thing I didn't like so much was when Clarke considered killing herself. She had been through so much and to die like this I thought it was stupid considering who she is.

      What did everyone else think?

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    • Just great ! The best season premiere. I think I'm one of the only few that like Becho^^ I thought we would get to see Clarke like the day after Praimfaya but the way they made the episode was as good^^ I'm hoping we will get one or two more flashbacks about Clarke and Madi, and Spacekru but Season 5's the best^^ I'm so waiting for 5.02 and Octavia's gone so mad😮😮

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    • TDCT wrote:
      Just great ! The best season premiere.

      I think I'm one of the only few that like Becho^^ I thought we would get to see Clarke like the day after Praimfaya but the way they made the episode was as good^^ I'm hoping we will get one or two more flashbacks about Clarke and Madi, and Spacekru but Season 5's the best^^ I'm so waiting for 5.02 and Octavia's gone so mad😮😮

      That's interesting because I don't mind Becho either myself. It might have something to do with the fact that it might make the bellarkers stop watching. I like the show alot, but I think the shipers ruin it for me as a show like this should be watched for the story, and while the characters still matter I don't think the majority of the fanbase should roam over the realtionships. I agree also that we should get more flashbacks, including the bunker.

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    • If you've remember last season, you'll remember a couple of discussions where I thoroghly analyze the episode and break it down. It's a lot of read in some cases so for the first time I'm just going to start off with a TL;DR

      TL;DR The episode was good, but I felt like it would have been a stronger episode had the Season 4 cliffhanger been different. Also, the Becho moment stood out to me the most, but for a different reason. 

      Ok, so this episode was really fun to watch. It answered the main question that we (or at least I) asked when watching the end of Season 4: How did Clarke survive for 6 years? 

      We quickly realize that her journey was not all sunshine and rainbows as she constatly struggles for the first 15-20 minutes of the episode, contemplating suicide, breaking down emotionally and physically etc. I'm glad that all of her decisions made sense and probably would have been the exact decisions that Clarke would have made, rather than just make her super good at surviving.

      The turning point of the episode is when she finally finds "Eden" and can finally drink and eat prosperously. She comes across an old village and sees many dead people due to Praimfiya. 

      That particular moment when she opens the door and sees all those people crowding around each other for comfort and compassion knowing that their fate is sealed. See all those people sent chills down my spine, brilliant scenery. 

      Which brings me to Madi. I was intrigued by Madi's character. She was a nightblood that had ran away from others in order to avoid getting the flame. She's kind of like a better Luna, Ontari mix. We know that she's been hiding from the Flamekeepers because she does not want to be Commander. And... that's it. We know nothing else about her character except that she and Clarke now have this "blood bond". It's a little bit of a let down to be honest. 

      I would have liked to see more of a dynamic between Clarke and Madi because we cut from Madi looking at Clarke's drawing of her to them being like family. I don't mind an entire half of an episode being dedicated to Clarke and her relationship with Madi, because now we just have to trust the last 6 years with no true dynamic between the characters. The next scene is the ending cliffhanger from Season 4, which brings me to something that may have made this entire episode so much better. 

      You see, this entire episode I felt no fear for Clarke. I knew she would survive for the next 6 years, and I knew she would have met Madi. That's nothing against the episode, the episode was written well, but I go back to the Season 4 cliffhanger. We knew how this episode would end from the beginning. 

      So if I were one of the writers and would have retconned the entire last minutes of Season 4, I would have instead shown Clarke dragging herself out of the rubble of Becca's lab and then starting on her journer across the now barren wasteland that is Earth. It would have made everything in the Season 5 premiere 10x better in my opinion.

      Now onto the other part of the episode which were the people in space. To be honest, nothing really stood out to me about their parts. They had it easy, eat crappy stuff and survive for as long as they can. Not sure why Murphy felt inadequate and kinda sucks that Emori and him broke up, but other than that it seems to be the only real change in the group up into space.

      The ONE thing that stood out to me about the people in space was the Becho scene. And it wasn't because of the relationship between Bellamy and Echo, it was mainly what Echo did at the end of the scene. It's so miniscule that I doubt that anyone would remember it as a drastic moment. But nonetheless it stood out to me because of what I think it symbolizes (and believe me I know I'm going to overthink this)

      She picks up her sword and leaves.

      Now to many of you that doesn't seem like such an amazing feat. It's Echo, she has a sword and she's gonna slice some s**t up. But it's the scene that lead up to it that makes that little action mean a little bit more. 

      She starts of the scene by asking Bellamy "What are we going to be now?" Basically slapping all Bellarke shippers in the face and stating that they are now a couple. But in depth, it's what her character has always been an emulation of. She's afraid of change.

      The whole scene itself is a mirror to the scene when she almost kills herself in the lab before they launch in the spaceship. All she knew then was Earth, and was terrified of the change of Space. That's just the tip of the iceberg. She clings onto the past as it's what she believes defines who she really is. She believes that everything is going to be vastly different from the way she left it. As she comforts Bellamy telling her that Octavia is still alive, he walks out. She continues to walk, but then stops, and goes back for her sword. Her sword is something that keeps her, herself. It's a small detail, and I don't think the writers even recognized it, but the episode itself would have been slightly different if the scene ended with her leaving without her sword. 

      Until Next Time,

      Master of Angels out

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    • I think it was a good premiere and answered a good amount of questions. There's just a few things I don't understand like how did Clarke survive in that ruble for 42 days after primfaya without food or water? Also how does she look perfect in the desert? Also her trying to reach the bunker didn't make since cause it's idiotic to think that the bunker crew would let her in. The minute they would open the door to let her in they'd all die due to radiation. Also how is the rover still in one piece when the death wave reduced polis and arkadia to rubble? Also there were some continuity issues when in one shot Clarke was dirty but the next she was clean.

      The scene where she almost committed suicide was good and so realistic I just wish it was dragged out a little longer. I hope there's some reason for the existence of Eden other than just plot device. The rain and jumping in the water also didn't make since like she just jumps in it could have been contaminated with radiation. The Madi backstory was good but hope we get more cause it felt rushed.

      The stuff with Bellamy and them was good. The Murphy and Monty stuff felt unnecessary and recycled storytelling. The group relationship felt realistic and even though I don't łike the idea of Bellamy and echo it's definitely interesting. Their relationship feels realistic and I'm interested in the backstory behind it. I usually hate relationships and prefer survival but I'm intrigued.

      I'm already loving the new antagonists and they actually feel like a real threat compared to some of the past villains.

      All in all it was a decent episode and a step in the right direction for the series.

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    • This episode was perfect. I really like Becho too. But, don't you think Octavia has changed a lot? Look at her face at the end of the episode

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    • To be honest, I've started shipping Becho since S2. I mean Bellamy and Clarke have great chemistry but they are friends. It annoys me that some people can't see that, like a guy and girl can be friends. But I feel like Bellarke could have happen in S2 but didn't, and I am worried that they are going to make Echo die and Niylah so that Bellamy and Clarke will get together, kind of like suffocate us with. Because I am Clexa shipper since S2 and always will be, and I think Clexa fans were robbed greatly. Now before anybody yells at me saying it is show and it's kill or be killed, but just look at everything else Bryan and Miller had a longer relationship? I mean great! but honestly Lexa did make Clarke happy. Echo makes Bellamy happy, those two deserved to be happy, I just hope they don't hurt Echo this season.


      Anyways I did like how they work with Echo and Bellamy in the last scene. It was rare and pure.

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    • Honestly, it feels more like a sequel to the show

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    • The Heavenly Stone wrote:
      I thought it great! It was everything I was expecting plus more! I liked how the directors tried to evenly split the space and ground stories. I was a little disappointed that we couldn't see much of  life in the bunker, though by the looks of the trailer for episode two we will be seeing the bunker. One thing I didn't like so much was when Clarke considered killing herself. She had been through so much and to die like this I thought it was stupid considering who she is.

      What did everyone else think? ........................................................................................................................................

      Obviously Dehydration can do alot to a person..mentally and physically..Clarke might not seem like the person to commit suicide but between the Dehydration and her being alone, the situation made sense. Especially how after seeing false hope in the bird the first time she Literally Hit Rock Bottom which nearly drove her to her breaking point, but also as soon as she had another glimpse at hope when the bird flew around once more, she instantly followed it. She isn't the suicidal type but she clearly needs and wants people around her. She's an introvert that hates being alone, and when you're stuck in a situation you hate and you are dehydrated..there's only so much your mind can go to.

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    • The Heavenly Stone wrote: I thought it great! It was everything I was expecting plus more! I liked how the directors tried to evenly split the space and ground stories. I was a little disappointed that we couldn't see much of  life in the bunker, though by the looks of the trailer for episode two we will be seeing the bunker. One thing I didn't like so much was when Clarke considered killing herself. She had been through so much and to die like this I thought it was stupid considering who she is.

      What did everyone else think?

      I absolutely loved the scene and was actually mad it was so quick and wasn't darker. It was really realistic just imagine how you would feel after not being able to contact your friends and loved ones and probably presumed that they were dead. Clarke had lost everything and probably hope too so it's very realistic that she'd commit suicide given the situation.

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    • This season premiere was by far the best in the series. It was really raw and we got to follow Clarke's survival after Praimfaya. I expected that the majority of the episode would mostly focus on Clarke and how she managed to survive for 6 years on Earth, with everything turned to rubble and dust. However, we did get information about how the rest in space survived and the fate of everyone in the bunker.

      There were rare moments in this episode that really stood out.

      The first instance is when Clarke heads for Arkadia to find food and water. All she finds are "ghosts of the past". Opening the box, she finds Maya's iPod, Jasper's goggles and Jasper's suicide note to Monty. This is the first time in the episode that we truly see Clarke's vulnerability that she has tried to bottle up since surviving Praimfaya. As tears fall, she admits to Bellamy through the radio that this is the first time she's truly felt alone. I felt sympathetic toward her current predicament. After 5 long seasons, this was all that was left to remember these people by and it hurt to see Clarke so emotionally drained. The fact that this box survived Praimfaya and stayed intact plays an important role later on. Clarke finds a use for the goggles and the iPod and they help her throughout her journey.

      After surviving on her own for 2 months, Clarke began slowly losing hope. What kept her sane throughout this time was talking to the Ark through the radio. Even though she didn't think Bellamy could hear her, it helped her vent her emotions and keep her sanity. Clarke went through a lot, and I could really empathise with her mental state. Feeling abandoned on Earth, with nothing to eat or no one to talk to, really took a toll on her physical state and her psyche. She was in a state where she was going to give up in order to escape the pain she felt emotionally, psychologically and physically. The way she expressed this was really raw and I could feel her emotional and mental depletion. However, I do think that they could have extended this vulnerable moment she had with holding the gun to her head. It was realistic in the way that the appearance of the bird symbolised a beacon of hope and her automatically thinking the bird would lead her to safety. However, she was disappointed when she climbed the hill to find a barren land stretching on for miles. This suspension led to a climax where she was on the brink of committing suicide after fighting to stay alive. Suicide seemed like the only option left after she stumbled down the hill to the ground, symbolizing the detrimental connection this fall had with her state of mind. When the bird reappeared, this instantly stopped her from pulling the trigger and she ran after the bird and on the other side, she found Eden. So my thoughts on this are: instead of the aspect of the bird leading her to safety and sanctuary being the reason to stop her from committing suicide, I wanted her to stop herself from committing suicide because of perseverance and the vulnerability of leaving her loved ones even though there was a possibility that she would never see them again. I wanted her to contemplate what ending her life would signify, reflect upon how she had survived worse conditions and come to a conclusion to stay alive because she wants to live to see her mother and her friends. I wanted these important people in her life to be the beacon of hope that stopped her from committing suicide. Then, her decision of choosing life over death would be rewarded by the bird leading her to "paradise" in a sense. So by tweaking this tiny detail, in my opinion, could really create a more powerful impact

      We also got to see the fates of the people on the Ark. After spending 6 years together in space, the relationship dynamics have really changed. We learn that Emori and Murphy are not together anymore and a new power couple has formed; Becho. To be honest, I was expecting Becho to happen sooner or later, especially now that they were stuck together on the Ark. It seemed fitting since it was either between Echo or Raven, and we already know that Raven and Bellamy suit more as friends than a couple. Plus, if Bellarke were to happen in this season (which I hope it does), Raven would be left on the sideline and she's already been through a lot, we're not going down memory lane with happened to Raven, Clarke, and Finn. Echo seems like the most expendable out of the two, in my opinion, so it's strategic that they'd be paired together if Bellarke were to happen. (which I doubt will happen as it's been freaking 5 seasons long, and I don't see the progression of Bellarke, but nonetheless, I don't really mind Becho. If they're genuinely happy, then I am happy for them.) Near the end, the chance of getting to go back to Earth was both promising and overwhelming. Tracing back to the season 4 finale with Echo's banishment, this is what makes her nervous about the aspect of going back down to Earth. She expresses her vulnerability to Bellamy and I feel for her. Even though it looks like she has changed, the banishment still stands. Bellamy still tries to reassure her that the banishment is in the past and that Octavia won't worry much about it. But something tells me otherwise...

      Octavia has changed since then, and that clip at the end of the episode proves that she is a different person. She exerts the power of leadership and this may have molded her to be more commanding as seen by her body language, her clothes and most importantly, her makeup. These dark colours really reflect on her character and we can tell that she isn't the same girl she was 6 years ago. She has grown and matured and this maturity is expressed through her outward appearance.

      Overall, the episode really demonstrated how a time jump, as big as this, brings the characters into maturity and points them in a new direction. It was a really good start to the season and it really just hit a reset button and brought us all the way back to the start; namely Season 1. It was, as I stated, one of the best premieres in my opinion. Thus, I would rate the episode 10/10.

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