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    • My poor ALIE :(

      Did not see the whole radiation factor coming into play again!

      All in all, good episode, I felt it was rushed with the whole explanation behind the CoL and all which could have been done better if they did not use filler episodes previously in the Season.

      Major death? Pike? Is that it?

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    • WOW!   that is all i have to say.  And will every finale end with someone walking off :P

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    • anyway. im dead inside. posting from the grave.

      i...i don't even know where to start so im just going to post this now

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      and post the rest later bc

      wtf.

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    • No cliffhanger so kinda disapointed...

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    • What ever happened to Ontari? The girl is now officially dead or is she still... Brain dead?

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    • they should've done the pike flashbacks way earlier on if they were gonna kill him off now, I figured they did it in 3x13 because they were gonna have him stay on for season 4 but meh 

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    • XJessx wrote:
      No cliffhanger so kinda disapointed...

      I mean the whole meltdown in six months  is kind of one, but I feel you

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    • So, what's the cliffhanger for next season? The randomly introduced nuclear reactors? That might have been worth mentioning a long time ago....

      Best part of the entire season: Octavia killing Pike and then walking off at the end makes me so happy. I hope she doesn't ever come back and is FREE. She's now going to meet up with Lincoln because he's not dead, dammit!

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    • Skyzy wrote:

      Best part of the entire season: Octavia killing Pike and then walking off at the end makes me so happy. I hope she doesn't ever come back and is FREE. 

      I hope she gets Indra off the cross first.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      So, what's the cliffhanger for next season? The randomly introduced nuclear reactors? That might have been worth mentioning a long time ago....

      Best part of the entire season: Octavia killing Pike and then walking off at the end makes me so happy. I hope she doesn't ever come back and is FREE. She's now going to meet up with Lincoln because he's not dead, dammit!

      i still have high hopes for finn aswell ;)

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    • AforAlison wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:

      Best part of the entire season: Octavia killing Pike and then walking off at the end makes me so happy. I hope she doesn't ever come back and is FREE. 

      I hope she gets Indra off the cross first.

      And finally frees the interned Grounders from Arkadia that Lincoln needlessly died for.

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    • Didn't ET say that there would be a cliff... but I guess she was refering to the second one.

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    • Freaking loved it, Kov's right, The 100 nails it's finales, looks like Skyzy is a bit happy

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    • NikkiNicks wrote:
      looks like Skyzy is a bit happy

      Because this crapfest is FINALLY over!

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    • I loved this finale. 

      In many ways it was surprising just because we've come to terms with expecting the worst of this show, but in this finale they didn't need the whole big mass death element. Pike died. Nobody is sad about that. Alie... went away? Nobody sad about that. Sad to see Erica & Mike go though. Great cast-members.

      We find out the S4 big bad is the thing they've been fearing for but thought they were safe of : RADIATION [I've been having this in the back of my mind a long time, ever since I saw a tschernobyl documentary)

      Also, fate unknown : Jackson, Indra & Roan. 

      Bellamy and Clarke are together for the first time at the end of a season finale. But Octavia isn't and she's on a dark path. Jasper is 'okay' and Jonty.. Oh my heart.

      Also, so much feels for Kabby and Memori.

      Also, Alycia slayed this episode so much. I'm so happy with what they did in the finale. Lexa saved Clarke's life, Lexa had the fight she deserved. I absolutely loved everything with Clarke and Lexa in the season finale - CLARKE TOLD HER SHE LOVED HER! Amazing. Absolutely great. 


      Overall, great episode. Very personal, everyone was involved. In that way it was better than the S2 finale for me. Yes, really liked it.

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    • Roan might return since apparently Zach McGowan was in talks about returning to to s4

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    • Loved the episode altho the ending was weird. Im glad Octavia killed Pike. But It shouldnt have been the last thing we saw because it was predictable and it doesnt indicate a new storyline.

      Also, i dont get the whole nuclear thing. The villain is gonna be radiation ? How are they gonna stop that ? Or is it that they have to shut down the nuclear power plant before radiations spreads ? Its weird and vague

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    • Also, i dont get the whole nuclear thing. The villain is gonna be radiation ? How are they gonna stop that ? Or is it that they have to shut down the nuclear power plant before radiations spreads ? Its weird and vague

      That's the best part of this show, there doesn't have to be another villain after another, that would be lame and predictable, however the 100 are coming up with new and creative ways to keep the season still interesting with different and i mean DIFFERENT problems for each season, although i understand it can be very complicated not going to lie to you, but i dont know about you but i was on the edge of my seat this episode, honestly not certain that Clarke would choose Becca side, I actually thought season 4 could be in the CoL, unlike the other season finales where I knew in the end Clarke would save her people, and Clarke will have to kill, and I was even nervous for Clarke maybe even killing everyone who took the chip, now season4 nearly impossible mission gets me interested, and wonders how the heck Clarke and the human race in general are going to save the WORLD this time, i have no clue! sucks we have to wait for 2017 but i'm sure it'll be worth it exploring the world, seeing Luna, Roan, Indra again!

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    • lmao .... you know what? i give up. im done. im pulling out all the stops.

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      this was a very unsatisfying finale on every single count. lmao its """open-ended""" more like "we did so much editing there wasnt an ending left to open-end 8)" clarke? nope. jasper? nope. ai plot? nope. lexa? nope. the rest of the skaikru? lmao i mean are they even relevant anymore? i was going to write some super long thing detailing every shitty thing that happened in this finale but it literally does not even deserve an eighth of the effort that would require (and look at this monstrosity i already wasted enough time on it) so i'll blow by bullet points instead.

      • octavia killed pike and fulfilled the entire fanbase's wishes while she was at it
        • lbr shes probably going to be villainized next season lmao have fun kids
      • WHAT KIND OF SHIT AI PLOT WAS THAT?????
        • this was the thing jr was so excited about???? im sorry....but that ending was pretty darn pathetic. where did half the things they talked about even come from?!?!?!?!
        • ?//// im so confused that was so??? anticlimatic????
        • no but seriously where the hell did that nuclear melting power plant thing come from???? like its not really a deus ex machina but???? really???? this was like a midnight appointment pulled out of an ass
          • im calling john marshall in from the grave he has to declare this unconstitutional immediately
          • (seriously this finale was so bad it must have broken at least 10 different federal laws trying to reach at some semblance of a ~~deeper meaning~~ fyi it didnt work)
        • ????? no really?????
        • wtf?!?!?!?!?
        • this had like. 0 closure. and im going to be frank: it felt really fcking cheap.
          • 1. clarke saves everyone by pulling a lever......where have i heard that before
            • forget about clip i ship clarke with levers. clavers, anyone???? they had Mad Chemistry
          • 2. blah blah blah human resilience blah blah blah morality blah blah oh ffs where have i heard that before 2 *snore*
          • 3. ?????? no but really nuclear reactors??? why havent we heard about this before????? if this was alie's master plan thEN WHY NOT JUST FREAKING TELL EVERYONE. christ i thought ai's were supposed to be, yanno, intelligent???
          • 4. alie just??? disappeare?D?????
          • 5. this is a pile of pure 116% organically grown Bullshit
        • anyway i dont want to spend more time thinking about this plotline i'd probably lose around 23985728957 brain cells and even einstein didnt have that many to spare
      • what was even happening with the rest of the skaikru *yawns*
        • ?? raven n harper n monty yay
          • props to raven for mad computer skills
        • ???????
        • ???????? *tilts head* no o ne knows ??? ?///
        • but did they honestly try to redeem pike
        • thank god he wasn't rly
      • ...let's talk about (c)lexa.
        • their story feels unfinished.
          • very, very, very unfinished.
          • ...*shakes head*
        • someone please explain to me why the hell did lexa say "that's a firewall" when she probably doesn't even know what a fcking firewall is......................like has she just been wandering around the col all this time chilling and learning about firewalls??????? smh...
          • WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSISTENCY: if clarke could remove the flame from herself and be just fine and alright and not dead,,, why did lexa have to die hmmmm
          • what happened to anyone can die
          • *crickets chirping in the distance* yeah that's what i thought
          • tho actually u know what @ me theyve been retconning her death in their own freaking show for the past 8 episodes so why am i even asking
          • [mumbles incoherently u know why]
          • anyway the consistency of this show remains ten times worse than half-raw half-overcooked instant mashed potatoes
        • im just gonna say........that their scenes' adr was terrible.....if ya catch my drift. -__________-
        • OH lmao and then there was THIS lil' gem:
          • clarke: "i love you"
          • lexa: "✔ seen 11:42 pm"
          • me: ............*squints*
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          • k i call BULLSHIT listen that was the FAKEST adr ive ever seen bitch where wtf even was that reaction bc it did NOT make sense in that context do u even know lexa for that matter do you even know adc acting as lexa i-
        • i'd go off on this topic more bc there were so many problems with the clarke n lexa in this episode in general but then i'd just bust a vein or 10
      • why did they end on a shot of bellamy??????
        • nonono really that was weird
        • last i checked, clarke was the Main ProtagonistTM in this show??? like...wow.
        • but oh yeah......he's #Redeemed !!!exclamationpoint1!!111!
        • bc bellamy is saying he "understands what octavia was going through"????
          • are you SHITTING me????????
          • "now i have to live with what i did" what is this halfassed attempt at every single redemption arc from a c-rate hollywood drama???? are you joking??????
      • what was the cliffhanger? did i miss it?
        • oh that's right...................there was no cliffhanger
      • "but the effects were decent!"
        • u rite,,,, the raven door was cool

      i cant think about this shit finale anymore without wanting to gouge someone's eyes out so i'll stop here but anyway........i had heard that this finale was going to be bad. as in 307 bad.

      but in reality, it was just. you know. bad. that was the shittiest finale ive ever had the displeasure of seeing in my life. heck, that was among the shittiest media i've ever seen in my life, right up there with the last airbender movie. jason must have pulled a lever himself writing this show......bc he just killed whatever good was left in it.

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    • Lexa rescuing Clarke is the best part... everything else rushed and what was the next Season for? Hahahahah... Clarke as the new commander and Octavia a new Leader of the Grounders?? 

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    • i'd argue that the lexa-clarke scenes were the most rushed out of all of them.

      octavia's going to be villainized and everyone's going to fly off into space again to avoid a Sudden Nuclear MeltdownTM, thus rendering this entire show completely pointless.

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    • Guys everything was rushed. Clarke/Lexa thing was only around 5 mins even though it was so much talked before. Disappointed.

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    • Wait... Indra's crucified? When did that happen?

      Pretty out of whack from that episode, thought the ending was terrible but all in all it was an intense episode that made my heart race and my feels skyrocket. 

      Props for leaving most of the main cast alive, and keeping four of my favourite canon couples intact and alive and TOGETHER. 

      But still, I have major questions, starting with Jaha. Is he dead? I know Pike is dead but I'm not sure if Jaha is too. He probably isn't, but the ending was pretty rushed so I don't know. 

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    • XJessx wrote:
      Guys everything was rushed. Clarke/Lexa thing was only around 5 mins even though it was so much talked before. Disappointed.

      There was so much filler this season but everything was so rushed. The pacing was terrible and was literally the plot "going nowhere fast."

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    • wait Skyzy Lincoln lived...WTF? my Marathon is going to be interesting.

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    • Real talk, I actually really liked this finale. It was intense and powerful like the other The 100 finales.

      My favourite part is when they're all released from the CoL, and many of them, including people as strong as Kane, begin weeping. That was very powerful. 

      I loved the Clexa scenes. I was glad to hear Bellamy finally admit how terrible he was, but it's still not redemptive IMO. Pike was such an interesting character. We understood why he was doing what he was doing. We saw him be heartless and ruthless, and we saw him be brave and desperately trying to protect the 100 in Earth Skills. He saved Octavia's life, and then walked over to her where she immediatly killed him. Pike walked over like he expected it, but seemed surprised that she actually did it, I couldn't tell. Pike deserved his death, but part of me is glad that he seemed to be somewhat at peace with it. Pike thought he was at war, as he had been since he'd hit the ground, and it corrupted him. I like that the show had Octavia kill him. I was afraid they'd have her randomly forgive him and let him go, but that wouldn't been ridiculous.

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      wait Skyzy Lincoln lived...WTF? my Marathon is going to be interesting.

      Linctavia transcends life and death.


      But really, if they made Lincoln a Cylon like Athena or a Ganger like Amy Pond and brought him back for Season Four, I'd totally buy that. After all, it's more believable than what we got for Season Three.

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    • JR needs to be fired yesterday. Who knows, maybe season 4 is salvagable 

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    • Well JR said he wanted to expand the 100 universe and wanted to introduce Grounders outside of North America I guess nuclear reactors that haven't gone off yet threatening the world with a second nuclear apocalypse is one way. Which by the way wouldn't happen all of a sudden since those nuclear reactors would have gone off decades ago. 

      I like the episode but it was way to rushed and the ending sucked like just Octavia walking off that was the ending really.

      Since this episode confirms that the people who took the chip remember everything even from the City of Light I wonder how this will affect the survivors?

      What bugs me about this season finale is the so many unresolved situations like what will happen to the Coalition now since there seems to be no more Nightbloods and the last living one doesn't want to be the Commander? How the hell are Clarke and friends supposed to save the world without planes or helicopters? They obviously don't have the the time or resources to build even 1 plane in less than 6 months that doesn't even account for the fuel they'll need and the their radio communications better get stronger signals in order to coordinate plans across the continent and the world. The only thing I can come up with is Emori who mentioned her technology buyers and one is a group with advance technology who they would have to convince to help them on their mission. Well next season might be more diplomatic since it seems they are going to have to convince so many groups to help them out since they can't do this alone and especially since they can't fight many unknown groups across the globe expecting to win them all within 6 months while saying that this is in their best interest since if they don't help Earth will be uninhabitable. JR sure has come up with a stupid idea to expand the 100 universe.

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    • listen,,,, the sooner we all accept that we're living a crappy alternate universe fanfic the sooner everything will,,,,, calm,,,,,, do wn,,,,,,,,,,,

      ,,,

      ,,aND THAT BRINGS ME TO MY SECOND POINT-

      everyone talking about how much they loved the clexa scenes and here i am 6 hours later feeling like this has just been one huge cheat. 1) idk their scenes felt so off to me....... et/adc's chemistry was off the charts as usual but the dialogue was so! stilted! i just...im so...dsfhjsahfj.... and 2) smh im still so so so bitter about this im not even going to get into the entire adr mess but all i wanted out of the entire lexa shitstorm they created inside the show itself was a moment of closure where she n clarke finally say how much they mean to each other before their final goodbye. listen idgaf if bellarke is ur otp but you would be a damn, damn fool to say that clarke and lexa didn't mean anything important to e/o. frankly from what im seeing i think a large chunk of the cl fandom agrees that no one wanted an "i love u" added in fucking post production that jr didnt even ~~believe they earned~~ (@jr: IM (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻ BITING (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻ MY (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻ THUMB (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻ AT (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻ YOU (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻)

      aaaaaand u know what the cherry on top of the rotten mud mountain is? once again, clarke didn't get to grieve.

      !!! !!! !!! (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻ !!! !!! !!!

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    • Good episode. Good end to the season.

      Good end for Pike... He presents himself to Octavia, he nods (watch it again), and accepts his fate.

      Nice. Well done JR and team!

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    • so disapointed of this finale, this episode was too short (couldn't they provide an episode longer for the finale? come on just 40min?), lexa's appearance : weird somehow, like someone said it before, something was off, and she left the same way she appeared... too fast.

      Is it a way to make us think it's not the end for lexa? since she said to clarke : "i will always be with you" or something like that. whatever...

      Last year, At the season 2 finale i could'nt wait to see the season 3. I was so excited! 

      Now, i just don't care...not sure I'll watch season 4.

      JR was really good at the begining to run this show (especially season2 and the firsts episodes of season 3), he knew how creating a balanced storyline (love, fight, hope, sadness, victory etc) but his desire to always surprise / shock finally unbalanced everything and now it just don't work. He ruined everything.

      but somehow it's a good thing, all these fictions are just illusions and stupid addictions, at least now it gets me off.

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    • im confused ... what the hell is going to happen next season ? it seems their stories is comes to an end ... but i am sure , if there is another season that would be great and challenging . this is not going to be like Walking dead ... 

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      XJessx wrote:
      Guys everything was rushed. Clarke/Lexa thing was only around 5 mins even though it was so much talked before. Disappointed.
      There was so much filler this season but everything was so rushed. The pacing was terrible and was literally the plot "going nowhere fast."

      I knew that there will be a chance to use this quote somewhere, even if not in my thesis. ^^

      "As if the main object were to talk fast and not to talk sensibly." - Henry David Thoreau

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    • Whitewalker000 wrote: JR needs to be fired yesterday. Who knows, maybe season 4 is salvageable 

      I want to give like 10 kudos to that comment.

      Yes, yes and yes. If JR would be removed and banned from doing anything "creative" in his life I'd be at peace. But, argggg I'm still so pissed at him, he destroyed my favorite show, killed my fav character in a despicable way and he is still sitting in his chair calling the shots!? Who are the people running CW, are they brain dead like Ontari???

      I have an idea, if fans managed to raise $125k for Trevor and $15k for the billboards, why not start purchasing shares, as Minorities Deserve Better Investment group and taking it over(or at least make our voice heard)!? Grand idea I know, but one can dream and believe in the power of the fandom! :P

      Point is, even though I was mainly indifferent to this episode - even though (with all the problems) I still loved to see Lexa/ADC on the screen, she belongs there, to this set, she is not nearly utilized enough on Fear - but I'd give the show another shot, IF THEY'D FCKING FIRE JR ALREADY!

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    • I think This season finaly was fantastic...it tied alot of stuff together. People asking questions about lexas apperace and stuff like that needs to go back and pick up earlyer hints and referances. Example:

      I used to think it was stupid to have sutch a violent ritcual to choose the next comandor. killing so many that had the rare "blood" when they were so dependent on them. This episode gave an answer to why. as the spirit of the old commanders were "saved" on the harddrive of the flame, they had a purpose even in death. they were to protect the one who finally entered the CoL with the protetion of the flame. they needed to be amazing worriors to ensure her safty. I used to think that the conclave rutual was just a "blood must have blood" based ritual, but this shows it was a ritual Becca deliberatly started to ensure that what would become the defenders of the flame bearer in the CoL were strong worriers.

      And all the hints programed into helping Clark. It gave an impression that Becca had tought of everything. But no, all the hints and even the old commandors protection wasent enough. (weird that we didens see commandors from before Lexa). They would have failed if not for Raven. Showing that Becca`s planing did have holes, making all the stuff she did think of even more impressive. 

      I am left with reflecting over whether the powerplants clame by A.L.I.E is even real. or if it was just a trick. This room with the killswitch is obviosly a room allie has no control over. and it was programmed almost a 100 years ago by Becca, and I figuered the room was on the spaceship polaris. so the earth view should not be in realtime. but then again, how could A.L.I.E manipulatet it if she couldent control the room? and could she even be programmebly capable of lying to get what she want? 

      I am also left with reflections over what will happen with the flame. only one left to take it, and its inteligens can sure be usefull if they have the problems they have. I really hope it will be put to use again. I love the Lexa charracter. My god she is so majestic when she enters the story again this time. 

      Altough I also think it could have ended with a doble episode, I am really looking forward to the next season, and what more I will get to understand about this world. 

      p.s

      Sorry if my English spelling and grummer is whay of. I am dyslectic and not a nativ english speaker. having enough truble wrighting in my native lanuage as it is. 

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote: clarke finally say how much they mean to each other before their final goodbye.

      aaaaaand u know what the cherry on top of the rotten mud mountain is? once again, clarke didn't get to grieve.

      But Sparks, do we know for certain that Lexa died, I mean a second time? Sure she stayed behind to fight off the hordes, but we do not know what happens when u die in CoL but your main code resides in ALIE v2.0! And both Lexa and Clarke were/are technically in the Flame. Not to mention maybe she didn't die in that ~2 minutes before Clarke pulled the lever.

      Clarke taking out the chip while alive also raises the question, does she left an identical copy of herself in the Flame? Lol imagine Clarke v2.0 and Lexa sipping a mojito on a beach inside the Flame.... lmao

      So technically, they could say that just like all the Commanders, Lexa is still "alive" in the chip, which was very clearly placed in Clarke's hand. So.!? Hope or baiting?

      The chip could be used as a solution or part of a solution, as I mean c'mon having an AI is useful when u wanna fight off a global threat...

      Sorry, Skyzy I don't think Lincoln is resurrectable (story-wise I just can't come up with a way how), but Lexa is and if they'd change the showrunner, I'd be more than willing to come back and watch ADC as a main cast member.. I know, I know, I sound like the #1 fan of ADC... xD I might be... xDxDxD

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    • This finale was not what I expected and I'm kind of dissapointed that there's not more suspense, etc.

      • No cliffhanger?
      • A.L.I.E. is definitely over? I feel like that was too easy.
      • Major death? Pike. Not that major. Kind of saw it coming. I really thought that when Jasper was going to go get a drink, he was going to kill himself but oh well.
      • Hope for Jonty: my baby boys are back! 
      • Bellamy finally talks about what happens and his emotions. Still a long way to go but he just might get there. An attempt to a semi apology for Octavia, maybe?
      • Bellamy finally opening up about what happened to him in Mount Weather.
      • Murphy: props to that guy. This episode made me remember why I love him so much.
      • Memori, Jonty, Kabby are back! Clarke and Abby's reunion was amazing, great acting.
      • I've never been a Clexa fan but I've never been this happy to see Lexa. Although she really didn't have much screen time, it was great to see her.
      • Octavia is not Octavia anymore. 
      • Did anyone stop to think and worry about Indra and Roan? 
      • Bellarke holding hands: keeping it platonic.
      • Clarke taking so damn long to make a decision.
      • Bryan and his infection: I thought they would have to cut off his leg or something.
      • Ontari and having her chest open and jfc that was intense.
      • That water and electricity thing was smart af.
      • Kane strangling Bellamy was not okay. Abby almost shooting Jackson was not okay.

      Overall, not the best episode. But now that S3 is over, let's look forward to S4 and hope that it will be better than this season.

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    • Funny how noone can mention the amazing things, just ignoring the amazing work of the cast. Devon Bostick deserves an award for his portrayal as PTSD / despressed Jasper. It's nice knowing many ppl can look up to him being a survivor. And how about Jarod Joesph, his acting has been phenomenal all season which is basically confirmed that he'll be a main for next season (no gay representation hey?). Eliza and Bob were spectacular like always in that finale, the chemistry is unreal. The scene between Clarke and Lexa was also beautiful. This finale was different and different is good. They don't always need a big cliffhanger or villain.

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    • 176.131.232.71 wrote: Last year, At the season 2 finale i could'nt wait to see the season 3. I was so excited! 

      Now, i just don't care...not sure I'll watch season 4.

      I feel the same way.

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    • I saw Lexa again and basically died. So excited for Season Four!

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    • Kovarro wrote:
      Funny how noone can mention the amazing things, just ignoring the amazing work of the cast. Devon Bostick deserves an award for his portrayal as PTSD / despressed Jasper. It's nice knowing many ppl can look up to him being a survivor. And how about Jarod Joesph, his acting has been phenomenal all season which is basically confirmed that he'll be a main for next season (no gay representation hey?). Eliza and Bob were spectacular like always in that finale, the chemistry is unreal. The scene between Clarke and Lexa was also beautiful. This finale was different and different is good. They don't always need a big cliffhanger or villain.

      Yeah, Cliffhangers annoy me greatly, especially Z Nation Season 2's finale

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    • ok, finale.....

      so, first, i can see where they were going...... cliffhanger.... sure, why not...... lets say power plants survived the blasts and it took them 97 fucking years to actually start melting down.......

      clexa...... again, i can see hwere they were coming from..... the commander was protecting clarke in the form of lexa, sending her there to protect her, basicly..... also amazed by her killing skills, awsome.....

      overall, WAYYYYYY too rushed episode, not safisfying too much, acting was better then politicians when they are lying about the panama documents.....  amazing...... and octavia killing pike was the best part of the episode......

      great to see everyone back, if nothing else, we atleast got some answers...... and i decided to watch s4..... and this is officialy no longer my favourite show......

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    • I think this season was awesome. The Alie plot had some holes in the storyline but overall I think it was my favourite season so far. I think they should keep up the good work and I really really hope that they start focusing on looking for more locations or even repairing mount weather to find safety from the coming radiation. 

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    • Redlion14 wrote:

      Sorry, Skyzy I don't think Lincoln is resurrectable (story-wise I just can't come up with a way how), but Lexa is and if they'd change the showrunner, I'd be more than willing to come back and watch ADC as a main cast member.. I know, I know, I sound like the #1 fan of ADC... xD I might be... xDxDxD
      Skyzy wrote:
      But really, if they made Lincoln a Cylon like Athena or a Ganger like Amy Pond and brought him back for Season Four, I'd totally buy that. After all, it's more believable than what we got for Season Three.

      I won't watch Season Four without Lincoln.

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    • the acting was beautiful, certainly. unfortunately, it's kinda hard to appreciate it fully when everything else was a steaming pile of Crap. the dialogue alone was cringeworthy.

      redlion: But Sparks, do we know for certain that Lexa died

      im personally 293857% certain shes gone. or, the lexa i grew to love is gone. like just for starters, lexa in pip2 was nowhere NEAR the lexa in even thirteen. anyway im done putting any sort of trust in this show to do either lexa or clarke justice. they did them no justice last night. absolutely none. zero. they did them negative. might as well have taken a truck and driven all over the fcking grave lmao

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    • Really good episode as always. Everyone's acting was brilliant and overall this episode was good ending to a wonderful season. And the Monper hug scene was one of the best things of this episode. :)

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    • What do you know... It sucked. Sorry. But I didn't like it.

      For one, the "cliffhanger" was already used as a previous storyline. The Sky People (while still on the Ark) thought they were the last of the human race and only had 4 months left to live... They had to find a solution to that.

      Now, the last of the human population is threatened again but this time on the ground by radiation.

      And is Lexa even dead? Since the flame is still "alive", is she just living in the flame?

      Phenomenal acting as usual, though.

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    • Did we ever even learn what ALIE stood for?

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    • TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:
      Did we ever even learn what ALIE stood for?

      We believe that A.L.I.E Stands for ArtificiaL IntelligencE. (The A-L-I-E)

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    • i love the episode

      but

      i still understand the part of the portal, clarke is in the past or the future?

      how can becca talks with clarke, is for the chip or for the AI 2?

      clarke can see to A.L.I.E and becca for the two chips right?

      and how lexa is in the city of light if she don't take the key, i don't understand that part

      also what else there will be in the season four?

      it continue deepening of the nuclear war?

      or is a look at the past about the nuclear war?

      and of what there will make the fourth season

      they talk of the surviving, the fight with the grounders, with mount weather and with an artificial intelligence

      now what?

      what will next in the world of the hundred?

      jason rothenberg will have to think so much what will do in the next season

      i'm so excited, i'll be waiting with cravings the season four?

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    • That was my response above. ("We believe that A.L.I.E Stands for ArtificiaL IntelligencE. (The A-L-I-E")

      I strongly believe that Clarke will be commander and will work with the grounders to find a way to stop the radiation from spreading due to the meltdowns of nuclear power plants. I think that the grounders will respect her for saving them from ALIE and will trust her to rule. Especially since now there is no working flame so nightbloods do not have to rule. 

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    • 181.53.174.11 wrote:
      i love the episode

      but

      i still understand the part of the portal, clarke is in the past or the future?

      how can becca talks with clarke, is for the chip or for the AI 2?

      clarke can see to A.L.I.E and becca for the two chips right?

      and how lexa is in the city of light if she don't take the key, i don't understand that part

      also what else there will be in the season four?

      it continue deepening of the nuclear war?

      or is a look at the past about the nuclear war?

      and of what there will make the fourth season

      they talk of the surviving, the fight with the grounders, with mount weather and with an artificial intelligence

      now what?

      what will next in the world of the hundred?

      jason rothenberg will have to think so much what will do in the next season

      i'm so excited, i'll be waiting with cravings the season four?


      that's my message

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    • Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore wrote:
      What ever happened to Ontari? The girl is now officially dead or is she still... Brain dead?

      Well, since Abby cut her chest open and they literally pumped her heart for blood I'm assuming she is or will be soon.

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    • JarperIsLife wrote:
      Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore wrote:
      What ever happened to Ontari? The girl is now officially dead or is she still... Brain dead?
      Well, since Abby cut her chest open and they literally pumped her heart for blood I'm assuming she is or will be soon.

      Man, that scene was Hannibal level nasty

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    • Whitewalker000 wrote:
      JarperIsLife wrote:
      Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore wrote:
      What ever happened to Ontari? The girl is now officially dead or is she still... Brain dead?
      Well, since Abby cut her chest open and they literally pumped her heart for blood I'm assuming she is or will be soon.
      Man, that scene was Hannibal level nasty

      same I had to look away

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    • So uh, i think i'll just leave my episode review here and then my season review afterwards. 

      Episode: 

      First of all, i kind of liked that ending. Not the very end, but when everyone comes to their realizations, that felt very realistic and honestly why i loved the ending of Season 2 so much. The episode as a whole didn't really have a lot of good moments, the worst of which being the death of ALIE and her story conclusion. In retrospect, when you look back, ALIE did not contribute jack or shit to the story, other than to tell everyone the world is ending very soon.

      I'm also a sucker for redemption stories, and i'll be in the minority for saying this: I wanted Pike to stay alive, or at least incarcerated. A lot of my favorite moments in a lot of shows is when the bad guy is incarcerated, and the characters pay him a visit. I'll cite one show in particular, Daredevil, which had an excellent scene in the later half of Season 2. I'm not saying Octavia should have forgiven him, i'm just saying he could have stayed alive and became what i wanted Emerson to be.

      Lexa's semi-return was nice, but it made little to no sense and it was dumb when you look at it in retrospect. I liked Jasper's snap into reality as well, pretty much all the reactions after the fact. Hell, my main man Murphy survived, which was nice for me. To summarize, City of Light stuff was garbage, Raven became convenience: the character, the attack on the tower was okay, but the ending was nice. 

      There's one thing left though, the "cliffhanger". Realistically, there is no feasable way they could stop it and they'll probably just find some shit ass plot convenience for them to stop it, which pisses me off. However, I think if they don't find this 'shit ass plot convenience' and have a good way to stop these nuclear plants, I think it has a lot of potential. I don't think we should have another villain like how Pike, ALIE, or the Mountain Men were, I believe they should stay grounded (pun intended) and learn from their past mistakes and actually work together.

      One final point: Please, show us the Eastern World in Season 4. There's so much potential to be had since it could be the exact opposite as what was shown in the Western World.


      Season: 

      From all the CW shows i watch every week (including this one), i have noticed a common theme: They make shit up as they go along. I have a lot of faith in this show, as i do any, but please JRoth, have something coherent, have something that will matter in retrospect instead of adding conveniences so you can move from Point A to Point B in your story.

      There was a lot of needless deaths and needless everything pretty much. I genuinely liked Pike as a villain, he could've took a different route in how his story went, but he was fine. There was one episode i couldn't be bothered with looking up where it showed a flashback where he was a teacher and i thought that was handled excellently. ALIE is pretty much where i noticed they were making shit up as they went along, they had no plan. If you took her out of the story, the only thing you miss is what she warns everyone of at the end of the season. I'll give her something: she is pretty. 

      The Polis stuff was exactly, 100%, no exaggeration, meh. That's all i can summarize it as, 'meh'. It's not something i'll take away from the series as a whole, i liked the idea of "Blood must not have blood" but that was handled terribly. Pretty much there was a lot of "covert racism" as Skyzy put it and i don't have much to say on that matter other than she's pretty much not wrong.

      Oh and fuck what they did to Emerson in the later half of the season. That was completely lame. There is no other word to describe that other than lame.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      But really, if they made Lincoln a Cylon like Athena or a Ganger like Amy Pond and brought him back for Season Four, I'd totally buy that. After all, it's more believable than what we got for Season Three.
      I won't watch Season Four without Lincoln.

      Ahh I remember that comment, which reminds me I have to finish BSG as well... Doctor Who, never seen it. You are right if there is a will there is a way. However, do you honestly think that Ricky would even consider coming back if JR is still there?!?

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    • Okay no. Why would he leave and be like hey Jason I forgive you. I just realized that I still want to be here with you and everyone else, and I also quit American gods so I can randomly appear on the show again out of no where without a storyline and after I was just shown DEAD and had a ceremony where they burned my body to ashes just like Fin. Um yeah no. But whatever anything can happen expesially on this show. The show doesn't have to make sense because Jason doesn't obviously. I guess Lexa can come back from the dead too.

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    • Redlion14 wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      But really, if they made Lincoln a Cylon like Athena or a Ganger like Amy Pond and brought him back for Season Four, I'd totally buy that. After all, it's more believable than what we got for Season Three.
      I won't watch Season Four without Lincoln.
      Ahh I remember that comment, which reminds me I have to finish BSG as well... Doctor Who, never seen it. You are right if there is a will there is a way. However, do you honestly think that Ricky would even consider coming back if JR is still there?!?

      Well, the point is that JR wouldn't be the show-runner anymore. ;) And Ricky wouldn't have to quit American Gods. I'd be fine with Lincoln being a recurring role as long as he came back. I'd be willing to accept anything, even a guest appearance in the series finale where he comes back to life and Octavia ends up with him.

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    • Really surprised with the course they chose to take. I'd already expected that when ALIE nuked the world, all the nuclear power plants had gone up in radioactive mushroom clouds. But to see that's only happening now... Feels weird. Because they're basically saying that the nuclear power stations were to survive this long without any manned services and not blow up.

      So ALIE although misguided was perhaps the best option. Going into space is out of the question. So they'll have to either rebuild Mount Weather or build a new place like that one, if humans are to survive.

      Honestly it seems like they're preparing next season to be the last one.

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    • ZeVikingSif wrote: There's one thing left though, the "cliffhanger". Realistically, there is no feasable way they could stop it and they'll probably just find some shit ass plot convenience for them to stop it, which pisses me off. However, I think if they don't find this 'shit ass plot convenience' and have a good way to stop these nuclear plants, I think it has a lot of potential. I don't think we should have another villain like how Pike, ALIE, or the Mountain Men were, I believe they should stay grounded (pun intended) and learn from their past mistakes and actually work together.

      That's just it. There is no way for them to stop what's already happening. Even if they had the man power, and the know how to stop some of the meltdowns, they'd be powerless to stop it. Most likely all the nuclear power plants systems are too degraded for any kind of repair.

      Unless they pull a Ghost In The Shell, type of move. Most of characters are gonna die next season. And then all the other seasons would be inside some bunker or whatever. By GITS move, I'm referring of course to the idea that in that anime, the world had what they called the "Japanese Miracle" were they'd learned to use nanomachines to feed on radiation and turn it into a harmless more useful form of fuel.

      And has I pointed out before, I doubt there's any intact facility where they made the space stations, where they could find the means to build new ones. Nor do they have the time. And even if they did had both these things, that would be the end of show.

      So not sure what the producers were thinking when they gave us that ultimatum. Seems like they're preparing for one more, and final season. Because this nuclear fall out except for a miracle it's unstoppable.

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    • Wri-El wrote:

      ZeVikingSif wrote: There's one thing left though, the "cliffhanger". Realistically, there is no feasable way they could stop it and they'll probably just find some shit ass plot convenience for them to stop it, which pisses me off. However, I think if they don't find this 'shit ass plot convenience' and have a good way to stop these nuclear plants, I think it has a lot of potential. I don't think we should have another villain like how Pike, ALIE, or the Mountain Men were, I believe they should stay grounded (pun intended) and learn from their past mistakes and actually work together.

      That's just it. There is no way for them to stop what's already happening. Even if they had the man power, and the know how to stop some of the meltdowns, they'd be powerless to stop it. Most likely all the nuclear power plants systems are too degraded for any kind of repair.

      Unless they pull a Ghost In The Shell, type of move. Most of characters are gonna die next season. And then all the other seasons would be inside some bunker or whatever. By GITS move, I'm referring of course to the idea that in that anime, the world had what they called the "Japanese Miracle" were they'd learned to use nanomachines to feed on radiation and turn it into a harmless more useful form of fuel.

      And has I pointed out before, I doubt there's any intact facility where they made the space stations, where they could find the means to build new ones. Nor do they have the time. And even if they did had both these things, that would be the end of show.

      So not sure what the producers were thinking when they gave us that ultimatum. Seems like they're preparing for one more, and final season. Because this nuclear fall out except for a miracle it's unstoppable.

      A bunker is very possible like the scenario you stated, but i doubt that'll be the case. That would just be lame and knowing JRoth, he'd have some sort of villain sabotage the bunker and have some dumb ass storyline that won't matter in the grand scheme of things.

      I do think they'll introduce some sort of macguffin that can somehow, someway stop the meltdowns. Of course, they're scattered across the world and it takes them days to go from Arkadia (Virginia i believe) to Washington D.C., just imagine how long it would take to go everywhere else. There is no possible way and this is really just destined to fail, as a writer you shouldn't do that to have people hype up the next season because then you'd just write yourself into a corner.

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    • A bunker is very possible like the scenario you stated, but i doubt that'll be the case. That would just be lame and knowing JRoth, he'd have some sort of villain sabotage the bunker and have some dumb ass storyline that won't matter in the grand scheme of things.

      I do think they'll introduce some sort of macguffin that can somehow, someway stop the meltdowns. Of course, they're scattered across the world and it takes them days to go from Arkadia (Virginia i believe) to Washington D.C., just imagine how long it would take to go everywhere else. There is no possible way and this is really just destined to fail, as a writer you shouldn't do that to have people hype up the next season because then you'd just write yourself into a corner.

      But that's just it. Even if such a character or group of characters existed that knew how to stop the meltdowns, the chances of they succeeding are slim to none.

      We're talking about power plants that have been neglected for hundreds of years or more. The simple fact that only now they're melting down, is in itself a miracle. By logic they should've all blown up centuries ago.

      Their only chance is if somehow, somewhere, someone was developing a way to counter the radiation from the nukes that were used by ALIE, but they never got around to finish it. Preferably a group of scientists that never got a place in the arks. And it will be up to the cast to find the answer. Either by use of nanotechnology or bioengineering, it is theoretically possible to create something that can feed on radiation and turn it into something else. Preferably a non-hazardous waste material.

      Besides this hypothesis I just mentioned, I see no credible way for them to stop any meltdown. Has you well put it, they even lack the means to make trips of that magnitude. Less alone coordinate and cross all fingers that every power plant safety systems were still operational.

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    • They could even use ALIE2 to find the answer the others couldn't. That way at least all this ALIE business wouldn't be for nothing.

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    • I don't think ALIE's completely dead, i mean after all, she is A.I.. Perhaps they can get answers from her and her calculations but i'm not sure. As it stands, i think you hit the nail on the head.

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    • alie is dead, but only by our definition...... in truth they hit the off switch, but it could be turned back on..... or not, i dont kno.... sorry, care.....

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    • guys there is a mistake about sinclairs death .

      ALIE knew that sinclair's dead just after his death as he told jaha... in that moment jasper wasnt chipped !

      back to s03e14 at 26:15 .  no one was chipped at that moment in ark ...

      so how she realized that ? if there was any camera so she will know pass phrases that siclair find out and no need to bother herself to make a hole in clarck and ....

      is this writing problem or ???

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    • Jasper being chipped did nothing for the story anyway but to just delay things and add needless drama.

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    • look at jaspers face, when right after luna is tortured(waterboarded) and they bring that little girl in, the camera goes trough his face, which looks like he is already chipped....

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      alie is dead, but only by our definition...... in truth they hit the off switch, but it could be turned back on..... or not, i dont kno.... sorry, care.....

      ALIE cannot techinically die, she can only be terminated or deactivated. Who knows now that Raven can code that she might fix the errors that Becca failed to program into ALIE and ALIE could make a comeback.

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    • Also how did the show start its premise that the Earth would be survivable in 97 years but was survivable anyway when the 100 was sent down to now 'oh 6 months, death to all'?

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    • The answer is very clear: They make shit up as they go along. It's the CW, they've done this and continue to do this with their shows.

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    • AforAlison wrote:
      Also how did the show start its premise that the Earth would be survivable in 97 years but was survivable anyway when the 100 was sent down to now 'oh 6 months, death to all'?

      The 97 year premise comes from the supposition that most of the nukes used, were hydrogen bombs. If they were A-bombs then 97 years would never be enough.

      And of course now with this scenario of the meltdown of multiple nuclear reactors around the world, it makes sense to say that they'd all die. Because that at least would be true. Soil, air, water, all would become so saturated with radioactivity that only insects and bacteria would be able to survive. Unless of course they conveniently found a massive bunker where they hide from the radiation.

      The worst part about all of this, is that the producers are pushing the show into a corner and the results might be tragic. Like getting the show cancelled.

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    • Not true people survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki and people still live on those islands most are born fine some I think stil are born with deformities like with the Grounders it's survivable be it a bomb or h bomb even Chernobyl has wild life again still humans are forbidden to go to to possible contamination but in the 100 world that doesn't really matter.

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    • but why? are the nuclear reactors? just? in danger of suddenly melting down now? it literally makes no sense....for so many different reasons........

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote: but why? are the nuclear reactors? just? in danger of suddenly melting down now? it literally makes no sense....for so many different reasons........

      They shouldn't have begin to fail yrs ago.

      Everyone will have to move underground since MW has been destroyed

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      but why? are the nuclear reactors? just? in danger of suddenly melting down now? it literally makes no sense....for so many different reasons........

      Oh I agree with you it doesn't make sense at most they would have gone off a decade or two after the bombings not 97 years there are some that do last that long or longer but those are more rare and even then they would have shut down safely by themselves decades ago because those are so safe that if humanity disappeared all of a sudden they wouldn't meltdown but slowly shut down.

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    • nuclear power plants just? dying? they would've begun to die ages ago when their cooling systems first malfunctioned @ the advent of the nuclear bombing, if they didn't blow up already.

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    • so after we all agreed that the "new" perimeters of the story are ridiculous, how, just how could we stay positive and supportive of the show!? Again it's not us who are naysayers and being flat out negative and destructive, but the story itself sucks! Terrible writing. How could the same team create the previous two seasons and this abomination??? It doesn't add up..

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    • Well I am still positive or at least hopeful enough to hope for a good story next season or a good ass pull if the story is good who cares about the technicalities.

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    • Redlion14 wrote:

      but the story itself sucks! Terrible writing. How could the same team create the previous two seasons and this abomination??? It doesn't add up..

      They got cocky and full of themselves, or they just thought the fans were so loyal that they would accept any nonsense they wrote. Take your pick.

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    • Jimmy782 wrote:
      Not true people survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki and people still live on those islands most are born fine some I think stil are born with deformities like with the Grounders it's survivable be it a bomb or h bomb even Chernobyl has wild life again still humans are forbidden to go to to possible contamination but in the 100 world that doesn't really matter.

      We're talking about multiple reactors meltingdown at the same time. Or close enough.

      Even Chernobyl, no one lives there, to this day. And why do you think that is so?! Because you can't be more than a hour in that place even with a radiation suit, without getting the equal dosage to dozens of CAT scans in that period of time. Now imagine a entire day, week, month, year. In one year time you'd either be dead or dying from multiple cancers growing throughout your entire body. And Hiroshima and Nagasaki have only now in recent years seen some people returning, but not without consequences. There's still way above normal cases, of blindness, infertility, mutations of the fetus or simple development of cancer related diseases. Like bone, brain, and other types of cancer related diseases.

      And we can't compare the meltdown of a nuclear power plant to the detonation of a A-bomb. Usually a A-bomb carries a few kilograms of nuclear fuel. More precisely uranium-235. A nuclear power plant, each reactor contains hundreds of kilograms of the same stuff. And Chernobyl if memory serves me well had three or four reactors. So a meltdown in terms of overral damage, makes a A-bomb look like a sneeze.

      And the wild life that you speak off, studies have shown that fetus from those animals are being born with mutations. Some of which are so terrible that animals lifespan has been greatly reduced. The only thing thriving in Chernobyl are insects. Spiders, worms, butterflies and other insects have shown some abnormal growth. In some cases, like those of spiders, they've actually been multiplying at an above normal rate. But that's the case of insects. Anything but insects don't so so well in high radioactive environments.

      Either way. All that radioactivity released at the same time would contaminate the world for thousands or even hundred of thousands of years. Good luck having a bunker that can sustain people for that long.

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    • Milks26 wrote:

      Redlion14 wrote:

      but the story itself sucks! Terrible writing. How could the same team create the previous two seasons and this abomination??? It doesn't add up..

      They got cocky and full of themselves, or they just thought the fans were so loyal that they would accept any nonsense they wrote. Take your pick.

      True!

      Honestly I don't know what they were thinking when went with this Skynet end of the world stuff.

      And now they've made it even worst. Nuclear reactors that should've meltdown decades ago, are all now in kamikaze mode.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      nuclear power plants just? dying? they would've begun to die ages ago when their cooling systems first malfunctioned @ the advent of the nuclear bombing, if they didn't blow up already.

      Exactly! ALIE aka Skynet sister was already a stretch.

      But now, out of nowhere. "Look Clarke. Without the City of Light, in six months time, team Meltdown is gonna rain on everyone's parade with radioactive rain. And you'll all die." Maybe one of worst ways to grab the fans to watch the next season. Because the producers seem to think people are stupid and will just buy into any lameass explanation or lifeline they create out of thin air.

      They might as well start next season by showing that ALIE was lying. That the image she shown was simply to mislead Clarke into not using the fail-safe.

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    • Allie was not lying. She was telling the truth because she is programmed to save and protect human kind, not to kill or hurt them in anyway. She just went beyond the limits to protect human kind, she didn't know what she was doing was wrong. Allie saw anyone that went against her the villains and her the hero. Remember when they were tourturing Raven at Niylahs house and she looked away? It's because she hates to see pain an suffering but she did it to try and save human kind.

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    • 218.40.186.98 wrote:
      Allie was not lying. She was telling the truth because she is programmed to save and protect human kind, not to kill or hurt them in anyway. She just went beyond the limits to protect human kind, she didn't know what she was doing was wrong. Allie saw anyone that went against her the villains and her the hero. Remember when they were tourturing Raven at Niylahs house and she looked away? It's because she hates to see pain an suffering but she did it to try and save human kind.

      To "save and protect humankind"... To me that ship sailed the moment we started seeing people being nailed and killed because they refused to go along with her plans.

      ALIE is an AI. And is the biggest danger to any AI?! That it starts making it's own decisions based on what it thinks is right. The moment ALIE used those nukes she went beyond her programing. And she was clearly adapting as things went along. So, yeah... She lying wasn't beyond her.

      Remember how she seduced and trapped people's minds. With lies! She stripped people of their free will, she ordered the death of people that didn't went along with her plans or simply opposed her. So she clearly had gone beyond what Becca had programmed her to do and be.

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    • Wri-El wrote:
      218.40.186.98 wrote:
      Allie was not lying. She was telling the truth because she is programmed to save and protect human kind, not to kill or hurt them in anyway. She just went beyond the limits to protect human kind, she didn't know what she was doing was wrong. Allie saw anyone that went against her the villains and her the hero. Remember when they were tourturing Raven at Niylahs house and she looked away? It's because she hates to see pain an suffering but she did it to try and save human kind.
      To "save and protect humankind"... To me that ship sailed the moment we started seeing people being nailed and killed because they refused to go along with her plans.

      That shipped sailed the moment you failed to program the 3 laws of robotics into an A.I..

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    • i seriously hope they say next season that alie was lying...... like seriously, i know i said i will watch if bellarke doesnt happen, but this...... i dont know, im from europe so im pretty educated...... i dont know if i can really watch a show so badly written in terms of logic like the 100 has become......

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    • ZeVikingSif wrote:

      That shipped sailed the moment you failed to program the 3 laws of robotics into an A.I..

      Wouldn't have worked either way. Anything programmed into a machine, any piece of software is susceptible to having its base code tampered and corrupted, or in the case of an AI, being altered on purpose.

      The only ways that I know of, to make those laws unbreakable is to hardwire them into the AI CPU or creating the AI embbeded with a encoded fail-safe in case of root coding tampering of any kind.

      In the first option, the AI would have to always be linked to its hardware. Like for example, if the CPU uses organic matter, or some metamaterial that's absolutely necessary for the AI to function. Thus giving the AI a physical "body" that in a situation where it started to malfunction, humans could always destroy that part of the AI and the AI with it.

      In the second option, create a fail-safe inside the software in such a way, that if the AI tries to tamper with it or the three basic laws it had to uphold, it would automatically release a embedded kill command/software. That would erase/destroy all of the coding.

      This is how we stop a rogue AI from ever being born or at least getting out of control. It's when programmers create softwares with AI potential or close enough, without any automatic fail-safes that we get Skynet and ALIE. Because people are so focused on creating the AI, that they forget why guns have a safety switch.

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      i seriously hope they say next season that alie was lying...... like seriously, i know i said i will watch if bellarke doesnt happen, but this...... i dont know, im from europe so im pretty educated...... i dont know if i can really watch a show so badly written in terms of logic like the 100 has become......

      This is like I said it before, would be the smart move to make.

      The Grounders start blaming each other and Skaikru for what happened. Clarke seeing the confusion, is forced to tell them, what ALIE showed her. And explain what that means to everyone.

      Most likely the Grounders would not go on Clarke word alone. They'd want proof of those claims. A expedition is organized to find that proof. But when they get to the neareast site, they arrive and see that it's been destroyed decades ago. Proof that ALIE was lying.

      But! On their trip they make themselves known  to another group of survivors. Some really badass, borderline insane group of people. And here arises the new and real threat... Invasion by an outside force of people, hellbent on conquering all the lands where the team came from.

      This is how I'd handle this nuclear meltdown mess. And replace it with another, that would still force every tribe and skaikru members to put their differences aside and work together.

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    • That group of people could in fact be made to look like something out of the movie Pandorum.

      A mutated race of humans, that are no longer humans by most standards. But a bunch of animalistic, incredibly cruel and vicious race.

      That at least could work for the show to have enough material for at least two more seasons.

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    • nope, season 4 has benn delayed and will have only 10 episodes....... most likely scenario is that it will be last season and jr will try to make his "final vision" happen....... and no, he wont make alie lie, they will be forced to gather an army and go to the sites around the world and start the meltdown themselfs and then the armies will brertahe the radiation in, sacrificing themselfs but saving the world..... because fuck logic, thats why....

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      nope, season 4 has benn delayed and will have only 10 episodes....... most likely scenario is that it will be last season and jr will try to make his "final vision" happen....... and no, he wont make alie lie, they will be forced to gather an army and go to the sites around the world and start the meltdown themselfs and then the armies will brertahe the radiation in, sacrificing themselfs but saving the world..... because fuck logic, thats why.

      If they still do the season.

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      nope, season 4 has benn delayed and will have only 10 episodes....... most likely scenario is that it will be last season and jr will try to make his "final vision" happen....... and no, he wont make alie lie, they will be forced to gather an army and go to the sites around the world and start the meltdown themselfs and then the armies will brertahe the radiation in, sacrificing themselfs but saving the world..... because fuck logic, thats why.
      If they still do the season.

      The show was renewed for another season, so yeah... We're gonna get it. One way or another.

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    • Even if Allie was lying what's the point of next season? Figuring out that she lied and everyone lived happily ever after? Umm I think that's common sense. This will be obviously a big part of their storyline next season.

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    • To "save and protect humankind"... To me that ship sailed the moment we started seeing people being nailed and killed because they refused to go along with her plans.

      ALIE is an AI. And is the biggest danger to any AI?! That it starts making it's own decisions based on what it thinks is right. The moment ALIE used those nukes she went beyond her programing. And she was clearly adapting as things went along. So, yeah... She lying wasn't beyond her.

      Remember how she seduced and trapped people's minds. With lies! She stripped people of their free will, she ordered the death of people that didn't went along with her plans or simply opposed her. So she clearly had gone beyond what Becca had programmed her to do and be.

      No. If you watched the finale Becca clearly said that she is ONLY programmed to save human kind. Machines can't overcome their own programming, that's crazy. They can only go in to deep lengths of their programming or expand it which is what Allie did.

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    • 218.40.186.98 wrote:

      Remember how she seduced and trapped people's minds. With lies! She stripped people of their free will, she ordered the death of people that didn't went along with her plans or simply opposed her. So she clearly had gone beyond what Becca had programmed her to do and be.

      Becca did not provide ALIE with the correct programming, hence the whole perverse instatiation and nuking the world.

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    • If you watched the finale Becca clearly said that she is ONLY programmed to save human kind. Machines can't overcome their own programming, that's crazy. They can only go in to deep lengths of their programming or expand it which is what Allie did.

      The only problem with her saving humanity program system is that Becca did not set limits to her program. That was beccas mistake. Allie 2 had set limits. It couldn't control the brain and force you to do something, it did not edfect your emotions, or memories, etc, like Allie 1 did. It was only capable of helping you make right decisions an obtain wisdom so that you won't make humanity threatening mistakes. Lexa did not listen to the wise warning given to her by the A2chip. It was saying to not agree to with Clarke on the blood must not have blood idea. It warned her in her dreams that she will die if she didn't change her ways and stop listening to Clarke. Titus even warned her. She did not listen since she was in love with Clarke. Destruction came, since the A2 cannot force you to agree with it, like the A1 chip will. I don't want to say this but the whole reason why Lexa died was because of her love for Clarke. Clarke helped in the killing of her also. If Clarke wasn't stubborn and want to do what she wanted then Titus would have never had tried to murder her, Lexa wouldn't have gotten acciedently shot. If they didn't do it in bed together or if Clarke didn't even live in Lexas tower then Titus would have never gotten to her so easily to murder her. If Lexa didn't fall in love with Clarke then she wouldn't have listened to what she had to say. It's funny how Alexa can make the most nonemotion face but she makes almost all her decisions upon her emotions. She was emotionally driven no matter how much she said she didn't. Her death wasn't Tituses fault. Titus was doing his job. He knew their relationship was bringing destruction on both sides of the groups so he felt the need to kill her. It wasn't just Lexas fought, not just Clarkes fault, it was Clarke and Lexas fault. Hopefully that made sense. It all does in my head but it's hard to explain.

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    • guys there is a mistake about sinclairs death .

      ALIE knew that sinclair's dead just after his death as he told jaha... in that moment jasper wasnt chipped !

      back to s03e14 at 26:15 .  no one was chipped at that moment in ark ...

      so how she realized that ? if there was any camera so she will know pass phrases that siclair find out and no need to bother herself to make a hole in clarck and ....

      is this writing problem or ???

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    • Jasper informed her afterwards 

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    • so, i know this might not be the best thread to post this, but i had an idea of making a special one to post our favourite fan videos from youtube and stuff like that, like have one: best fan trailer for s3 and then post in ht comments links to our favourite video on that subject, since there are a lot of great videos on youtube..... and maybe a section for linctavia, clexa, bellarke....

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      so, i know this might not be the best thread to post this, but i had an idea of making a special one to post our favourite fan videos from youtube and stuff like that, like have one: best fan trailer for s3 and then post in ht comments links to our favourite video on that subject, since there are a lot of great videos on youtube..... and maybe a section for linctavia, clexa, bellarke....

      Probably better off posting it in the Off-Topic forum or creating a blog post for it.

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    • 218.40.186.98 wrote:
      Even if Allie was lying what's the point of next season? Figuring out that she lied and everyone lived happily ever after? Umm I think that's common sense. This will be obviously a big part of their storyline next season.

      I already explained what can happen by sending teams to the nuclear powerplants. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, then you'd know that there's alternatives.

      Ways that ALIE lie could place both Grounders and Skaikru in a worst danger. Because multiple meltdowns will lead to a quick dead, but meeting a kind of mutated race of previous humans that are now for the most part more like more than savage monsters.

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    • 218.40.186.98 wrote:
      To "save and protect humankind"... To me that ship sailed the moment we started seeing people being nailed and killed because they refused to go along with her plans.

      ALIE is an AI. And is the biggest danger to any AI?! That it starts making it's own decisions based on what it thinks is right. The moment ALIE used those nukes she went beyond her programing. And she was clearly adapting as things went along. So, yeah... She lying wasn't beyond her.

      Remember how she seduced and trapped people's minds. With lies! She stripped people of their free will, she ordered the death of people that didn't went along with her plans or simply opposed her. So she clearly had gone beyond what Becca had programmed her to do and be.

      No. If you watched the finale Becca clearly said that she is ONLY programmed to save human kind. Machines can't overcome their own programming, that's crazy. They can only go in to deep lengths of their programming or expand it which is what Allie did.

      But ALIE already went beyond her programming. So lying isn't beyond her, the same way that killing billions of people wasn't beyond her, and nailing and placing them on display also wasn't beyond her.

      So yes. She most likely could lie, especially seeing what she faced. She faced death. Or her concept of death. Any AI advance enough to produce thought processes similar to human brains, can in time even develop what we call feelings. Things like fear. Yes, she was justifying her actions as she fulfilling her programming, but she wasn't. That was clear as water.

      And yes. AI's and even simple software many times can have its root coding changed, or tampered with. When multiple softwares interact within a system, they're open to alterations.

      Haven't you ever had your windows operating system simply not starting up? Although you hadn't installed suspicious software and had your anti-virus updated. Why do you think that happens? It happens because subtle changes in the root coding of a key piece of software was changed. And it changed itself. Not because it wanted to, but because it simply happens sometimes. There's multiple factors to take into account, one of them is the so called "ghost in the machine" that's become at the same time a joke and a myth amongst programmers.

      An AI in theory is even worst, especially if the AI is built primary on software alone. Because it can reach a point where it becomes so self-aware that it can actually change its own programming, however it wants.

      This is artificial intelligence 101, that I'm referring here. There's entire books written about this stuff. I should know. I work in software development.

      Also any hypothesis or solution to the meltdowns problem, if they follow it through, will look like pure fantasy. Something they made up that's possibly even totally illogical, and the show will seem like a joke.

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    • I still find it hard to believe that ALIE is just... gone or destroyed. Especially after uploading herself to Earth Monitoring Station. Something in my gut makes me want to say that ALIE will be back.

      Also, wouldn't unattended nuclear reactors have blown up 97 years ago? 96? It seems odd that they made it 97 years without human attendance as it is. Arkadia definitly doesnt have the technology or resources to launch Ark 2.0 so i'm not sure how they are going to dodge that bullet. 

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    • they are bonna spend 2 episodes on reaching the reactors and spend 3 sentences on where they found their transports and then then they will be safe and a new threat will be intoduced......

      remember wanheda part 1 and 2...... how she was commanders biggest threat but noone gave 2 fucks about her because fuck logical writing....... s4 is gonna be the same, im calling it.....

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    • Was Pike killed because the actor had other commitments (similar to Lexa) or because the fans demanded this? 

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    • 212.56.135.17 wrote:

      Was Pike killed because the actor had other commitments (similar to Lexa) or because the fans demanded this? 

      I don't think it was either one of the two. I think it was part of Octavia's promise she made to herself, to bring justice for Lincoln. I think that's mainly what's up. 

      I mean, sure fans disliked his character (as they should cause he was the antagonist) and I don't think anyone is entirely devastated that Pike is dead now. But I don't think that decision was influenced by the fans either. Not any more than killing off Dante Wallace was, I believe?

      I know Mike is close to many people of the cast, as evident by the many behind the scenes pictures he took. He's also very nice on twitter, so it's not like people wanted him off the show. 

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    • it was for the plot reasons..... and part of octavias character growth...... like if you rewatch the episode, it was foreshadowing her killing pike from the start....... which was one of the best written things this season..... trully like first they foreshadowed something..... and then they did it, no other options, no exit, bam, dead......

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      it was for the plot reasons..... and part of octavias character growth...... like if you rewatch the episode, it was foreshadowing her killing pike from the start....... which was one of the best written things this season..... trully like first they foreshadowed something..... and then they did it, no other options, no exit, bam, dead......

      Yeah. The scene with Pike was completely clear that it was gonna happen.

      First Octavia wounded him on purpose, then he saves her life, and in the end, his eyes... They were almost shouting "Come on! End this! Or I will!"

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    • Chancellor1 wrote:
      I still find it hard to believe that ALIE is just... gone or destroyed. Especially after uploading herself to Earth Monitoring Station. Something in my gut makes me want to say that ALIE will be back.

      Also, wouldn't unattended nuclear reactors have blown up 97 years ago? 96? It seems odd that they made it 97 years without human attendance as it is. Arkadia definitly doesnt have the technology or resources to launch Ark 2.0 so i'm not sure how they are going to dodge that bullet. 

      I hope ALIE does come back! maybe her code as uploaded into the flame?

      I think the whole nuclear powerplant storyline has come in so that if they get cancelled next season after the controversy they had this season, they have a solid way to end it.

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    • Chancellor1 wrote:

      I still find it hard to believe that ALIE is just... gone or destroyed. Especially after uploading herself to Earth Monitoring Station. Something in my gut makes me want to say that ALIE will be back.

      If Alie returns I think it will be tired to whatever confused/doubtful look Jasper had on his face at the end. Residual memory still rolling in there.

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    • I liked the finale but it did not have much "suspense" as the first or second season finales... but all in all I liked the episode and poor Pike! i don't like him so much but he was trying to make peace with Octavia...but well i don't know, Octavia "needed" to kill him because he killed Lincoln (i think 3x19 was the saddest episode for me). Octavia would be a dark girl next season but i will still liking her and will continue to be my favorite character and the first on my list of favorites, after her raven and jasper, and after them i think clarke, monty, harper, bellamy, murphy, and emori (and lexa RIP)

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