Wellsworth96

I am sorry I have upset you. You don't like me? That's fine. I can edit what I please and I am NOT harming anything by "following" others around fixing any mistake they may make. And I am not being rude to anyone intentionally.

PS: I don't have any "aggression". You are in the wrong to make such an assumption. I am also not intending to be hostile or any other of the allegations you've thrown at me.

And if you allowed to make such allegations against me, I don't think you are the nicest person either.

Honestly I'm not upset. More surprised (not pleasantly) to find this kind of passive-aggressive hostility on a nice wiki about a fun TV show. Figured I'd address it head on instead of being passive-aggressive in return. 

Of course we can all do what we like, within reason, but "don't be a dick" seems to be a pretty common standard in internet forums, wikis, even most subreddits. Scolding colleagues obtusely in comments, rather than compromising, accepting, or the rare constructive criticism where appropriate?  Yeah, that's being a dick.

If they were all legit corrections I'd have rolled with it... but many are not objectively correct, they are simply asserting your preference over an equal teammate's. Less cool. (Some are def corrections, as I've mentioned. No issue with those, they're great. And no need to be rude, whether correct or a personal-preference thing. If you can't tell that snarking at people in edit-comments is rude... I don't know what to tell you.)

I am confused by your repeating of the word "comments". I have not edited anyone's comments. Comments are at the bottom of pages. Are you meaning the "edit summary" feature or edits or something else?

And I am very sorry if you think I am "being a dick". I'll try to word my edit summaries differently.

Edit-comments, edit-summaries, the things that I quoted that you wrote recently... yeah.  Those.

If you'll make an effort, great!

If facetious... whatever. But I'll assume good faith since we've been asked to do so. 

Cheers.

Look I get you like everything to be perfect and to quote your profile you are "a grammar nerd (within reason) who loves continuity and order." But, you aren't the only person here, this wiki is community of people from all over the world. Just because you prefer something to be worded one way doesn't mean that the rest of the community does. I know the same could be said vice versa.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way as it wasn't meant to be mean.

LOL I'm not the one changing minor stuff like "surmised" to "assumed" - which are effectively the same, just a matter of personal preference. I will always be available to add info or actually-correct grammar, though no need to start editing wars in 99.999% of cases. Cooperation is important on a wiki, which is why I bring stuff up in Talk/comments if it's likely to even maybe be controversial. Not just change stuff that doesn't need changing, nor whining at people in editing-comments (editing summaries, whatever). 

I never would have approached you if you had just been civil. Or clear about constructive criticism.

As it is, the TL;DR is "hey, could you either please be more civil, or at least be direct & clear if you're going to be confrontational/combative?" 

You said you'll try to do better with edit summaries at least. Good enough for me.

As I said above:

LOL take your own advice and we'll all be fine.

I find the "LOL" at the beginning of your last two messages very rude.

The question, I have for you is why do you care so much? It's just picture. You are the one who started it with your nonsense about how it scared you.

I'm just saying why you are obsessed with that picture.

I am not obsessed with anything. The same could said about you, though.

I was scared.

As Janus100 told you, "Your feelings over a character or a specific scene are not valid justifications for why a specific image should or should not be used."

Okay? but why do you want to put that picture in the infobox?

I am gathering that you don't fully understand what Janus said. Because yours was of worse quality.

As Janus100 told you, how you feel cannot dictate your edits. That is not a valid reason in my eyes and your picture is horrible quality. I am not trying to be cold hearted, but it's just a picture.

Eugene....... let me repeat: "Your feelings over a character or a specific scene are not valid justifications for why a specific image should or should not be used." You're making this image sound like James is all bloody, snarling, and shooting lasers out of his eyes. However, the image you're so upset about has nothing graphic or violent in it.

If you're so upset over this scene, I'm surprised you're watching the series. You must be crying yourself to sleep only to awaken with violent nightmares every single night given all the scary and haunting scenes.

I'm sorry for being callous, but your argument went from silly to absurd. Please desist with it. If you can't handle this series, then you shouldn't be editing this wiki.

How will they ever live again? They won't.

According to whom? Do you have a source? I can tell you how they can live again: Russell breaks free, finds the body, and extracts their mind drive. Can you explain how they CAN'T live again? "can't" and "won't" are very different.

Posted my opinion and a little fact in the other post.

I am sorry, but I can't do that. I am not an admin.

Yeah an Admin replied to my message on that page. The fact is, I'm so new here I don't know the Admins.

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To reiterate, I've been around the block. Something I've learned is that the majority of bad actors don't know how to jump IPs. Those who do jump, often jump within a specific range (making range blocks very effective). Bad actors who jump to random IPs around the world are very, very rare. You can block IP edits, but that doesn't prevent them from creating multiple new accounts, etc. If someone wanted to be persistent enough, they can wreck havoc. However, the vast majority of people have better uses of their time and go away after being blocked.

The reason I'm not taking more serious actions, is because there is no evidence that such actions are necessary at this time. The issue was one IP who's now blocked. Until they start jumping, it's still a one IP issue.

Well, I hope you're right, honestly. I was just giving advice as one Admin to another based on my own experiences. I don't Admin on this Wiki, but one of the Wikis I DO hold it on I've probably been Admin for close to a decade. To be frankly honest, I'm still not sure how I got that one as I was suddenly promoted without seeking the job, but at this point the automatic welcome message there (and it IS a very active Wiki) is signed as coming from me. Which I don't know how that happened but don't really care. The other one, the one I mentioned, I sought that job which required a vote. It was unanimous aside from one guy who got an Infinite Ban shortly thereafter because he was a major troublemaker.

And as one admin to another, I'm asking you to provide actual evidence that at this point a single IP block is insufficient. Because right now you're making a lot of noise out of nothing.

Yes, I know, sometimes an IP jumps, but I also know that majority of time they don't. So I don't lock pages after one bad IP. Nor do I do range blocks over one IP. And I certainly don't lock down entire wiki over one IP.

And this issue is literally one IP. But you're making them into an army that hasn't appeared yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Meanwhile, my goal is to provide as open an environment as possible and locking down only when it becomes necessary.

Right now, you've wasted much more of my time than that IP has and haven't given me one bit of useful information.

I kinda agree. Alie also was just a code. And technically all the Primes are just a code as well.

The flame had a recurring role through the seasons. I think it's worth mentioning

There's literally a precedent here for this with ALIE being listed. Its an AI not just some kind of device so technically it could be considered as dying for that reason alone. I'd list the Spirit of the Commanders, but we don't know for sure yet if they were destroyed along with it or if they all escaped with Sheidheda. For now, their Spirits can be listed as being Unknown status.

It's just a piece of plastic and the body count section is for human beings.

Again, we did it for ALIE and she was just an AI like the Flame. If it was something like the Rover or the ship I wouldn't bother, but its an artificial intelligence so in its own way it was alive. The damn thing even LOOKED like it had died when it got pulled out. There's a precedent for this. Its not speculation it was an AI either: it has been specifically stated several times, including by Raven in the last few episodes. It just doesn't tend to manifest it's own personality/form/whatever like the original ALIE because of the way it was designed.

Talk to Janus100, see what they think.

They haven't posted any responses on here. I'd say leave it for now unless whoever that is says otherwise.

This may surprise some people, but I don't monitor every single wall post (except on my own wall). If you want to have a community wide editing discussion, than that's what the suggestion board is used for. User walls are primarily for discussions with wall owner (...though others may jump in uninvited...)

As for the topic of discussion: I see three options:

1. Both AIs listed in body count since both were 'intelligences'
2. Neither AIs listed in body count since neither was 'alive'
3. List only ALIE 1 in body count since it, unlike ALIE 2, was an independent entity

I'm fine with any of the above. If it was solely up to me... then I'd probably pick #2 - both AI are artificial and aren't 'bodies' for body count purposes.

I agree with you. But, I also think A.L.I.E. kind belongs on the body count section, but in away I don't

I'd go with option 3 if nothing else. But what I'm wondering is if we shouldn't change the infobox for the Flame to be more like A.L.I.E.??? She was given an infobox as a character including a status (which is Terminated) and killed by thing. Should we do the same for the Flame???

The Flame is not a character played by a person, it is a piece of plastic. A.L.I.E. was played by a person, therefore the reason she has a character infobox.

Your statement seems to be a bit contradictory. Option 3 is "List only ALIE 1 in body count since it, unlike ALIE 2, was an independent entity" - another words, recognize ALIE 1 as a character but ALIE 2 as an object. If you're selecting option 3, why would you argue that the Flame needs a character infobox?

I was going with more of a best of the situation kind of answer. Also, I only suggested the infobox since A.L.I.E. had gotten one too.

If we're treating ALIE 1 as a character and ALIE 2 as an object, then ALIE 1 gets character infobox and ALIE 2 gets object infobox.

Okay.

It's done all the time. He's seen in pictures from the episode.

We know absolutely nothing about Gavin and Layla dies next episode

Did you mean Nelson?

No, Gavin, Kane's host.

Where's THAT coming from??? And so what if she does??? Tosh was dead in like one episode and she still got her own page. So do other characters who were only in an episode or two. We know basically nothing about Sierra, Gavin's wife and someone still gave her her own page.

We have a policy to not make useless pages for the characters who have not appeared in at least 4 episodes. But some users just ignore it.

If you think you can write 2-3 unique sentences for each of the 12 categories, feel free to do it

Just look at Cassius and Cillian. Are you sure that you can make a page that has enough content like the second one and will not be ugly as the first?

For the record, while I'm relatively new here, I'm not for Wikis in general. I hold Admin on two other Wikis, one of which I've created many pages for one-off characters and did a pretty spectacular job with it. And some of those characters we didn't even know their names.

Another thing I think we should create a page for is the conflict with the Primes. But I just can't think of a proper name for it. It should be Something-Primes conflict since the conflict is with the Primes themselves and not Sanctum. Its just the other side of it I'm not sure of the title for. I'd go with Wonkru, but the vast majority of them are in cryo and even if they get woken in the finale, they'll have missed the majority of the conflict. Can't go with Sky People since Echo, Emori, Indra and Niylah are Grounders though most of the participants are Sky People. It's more like Spacekru with some allies fighting the Primes.

I've got experience creating battle pages for sure. I'm still not sure how I got promoted to Admin the first time (I sought it out the second time and got basically unanimous support from everyone who voted), but creating pages tends to be one of my specialties. As is editing. Some of the stuff I've read on here has made me cringe and fix it for bad grammar and stuff like that. I got promoted to Admin the first time after I created and edited a whole lot of pages. I still don't know why or how I got it years later, I was just informed of the promotion and never got an answer when I asked why.

On the second Wiki, as I've said, I sought it out. On that one I've created many pages, including the vast majority of the over 100 battle pages there (I think its something like 120). Only around 20 of those aren't mine and those are the ones belonging to the guy who started the category before I found it (another Admin) and a couple people have made here and there since I vastly expanded the category.

To my knowledge we have never had a four episode minimum. Our old guidelines was two episodes. Our new guidelines is three episodes for named co-starring characters and one episode for starring or guest starring characters. By these guidelines, pages can be created for Gavin, Layla, Nelson, and Jae. Also, exceptions can always be made for specific cases.

This Wiki is a bit different with the format than I'm used to, but I can figure it out. What about suggestions for the conflict name as I asked??? Because I want to create a page for that and as I said above I'm just not sure of what to use for Clarke and the gang's end of it.

Fun fact: I recognize Jae's actor from Stargate Atlantis. His character was kind of a dick there and disappeared for three years before reappearing for a single episode. That's a spin-off of the show JR Bourne appeared in with the director of the episode Matryoshka. Incidentally, she ALSO starred in that spin-off. JR's character was actually a love interest for her before he was killed off. Russell has a few similarities with that guy too, except he's evil here.

Run the conflict page name by the suggestion board, that way everyone can add their thoughts.

To throw a couple names ideas in: "War Against the Primes" similar to "War Against A.L.I.E." or "Primes-Earthkru Conflict" similar to "Coalition-Skaikru Conflicts".

Janus100, you said before that creating a page for Gavin wasn't needed.

Not sure where that is. Also, I don't really see it as a war. Earthkru??? Would be cool if there was anything actually named that in the show but it doesn't really include their allies like the Children of Gabriel.

re:Gavin - huh, did I? Well, I must have thought he had co-starring credit. Anyway, feel free to point me to the guidelines when I'm wrong.

re:conflict - Board:Suggestions is for all of our community editing discussions. As for Earthkru - nope, it's not a canon term, but neither is "Bellamy's Militia". Sometimes fans have to make up a term when canon doesn't offer one. If you want to include CoG, then "War Against the Primes" may be better, or even something more generic like "Sanctum War".

I might go with Sanctum Conflict. A war implies open fighting and battles. So far there's just been some skirmishes and assassinations.

Because whoever created the page (or whoever last edited that sentence) wrote it one way or the other. The wiki doesn't have formal guidelines for that sentence, instead encouraging users to be consist with other pages. That said, do NOT do mass edits to your preferred style without consulting community. If you'd like to participate in discussion, see Thread:87123.