Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-28398720-20160530203022/@comment-11565898-20170215182638

1)      People respected Bellamy because he made them respect him. No one else stepped up to lead the group before Bellamy’s “whatever the hell you want” speech. Sorry that’s incorrect, the ONLY people that did try to take on the leadership role before that were Wells and Clarke who no one liked because of who their parents were. Almost every episode is evidence of how the Grounders dislike Skaikru. This hatred and distrust extends to how the Grounders treated Octavia as well as Bellamy.

2)      Aurora would’ve had plenty of time to defend Bellamy at her trial which I think is what happened.  Again, this is all speculation on my part though. If the writers ever decide to show that scene, I would be appreciative.

3)      Bellamy had something on Earth that he didn’t have on The Ark; authority. He had people (Like Clarke) who believed in him and were willing to defend his character. On The Ark, Bellamy was a known liar who had been reduced to be a janitor. What this means is that he had no authority for anyone to take him seriously. He needed to have evidence that he was a trustworthy person which Clarke and the rest of the delinquents turned out to be, He also had no other motivations to lie to Jaha at that point because Bellamy could leave the camp and Jaha wouldn’t have been able to find him.

4)      Why does Bellamy do most things? The answer is Octavia. You’re telling me that after all the crap we’ve seen where he is overprotective, that he wouldn’t have tried to find out about something to do with his sister? You’re right, he wouldn’t have known if Shumway hadn’t told him. However, all Shumway had to say when he was questioned would be “He threatened me” or “He’s lying and crazy” and I feel like Jaha would’ve believed him.

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">5)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">Jaha trusted Diana enough to not have people watching her. I mean, Kane had people watching Abby at all times, but no one was looking to Diana? That seems strange to me, but I digress. Jaha sentenced Jake to death because he was afraid alongside other council members of his own people. What Jake’s death and Clarke’s imprisonment boil down to his trust; something that Jaha didn’t have in his people. As for Jaha using the Arkadian laws to pardon Abby, that can’t be true. She broke the law 3 times. The first was using too many resources. The second was sending Raven down to the ground. The third was telling The Ark that their life support was failing. She should’ve been floated a long time ago, but because she was his friend and a decent doctor, she got 3 get of jail free cards. How is that fair or just? As for Bellamy’s case, I’m going to say it again (for the people in the back lol) that I don’t think Jaha would’ve believed him over Shumway.

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">6)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">Why waste your resources of people you are going to kill at the end of the day? I mean, most of the teens in lockup were from lower class stations. The jobs they would’ve done could be done by other people as they weren’t “special” (I put it in quotes because I think the class system is stupid). Also, we don’t really know if all the teens just stayed in their cells all the time. They could’ve gone to class still, but I find this highly unlikely.

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">7)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">You’re right Atom was the only one who knew about the order besides Bellamy and Octavia. Atom was put in charge of making sure no one touched his sister. So when the guy you put in charge breaks the one rule you set in place, an example must be made.  Also, Bellamy defended Atom when Murphy made jokes about him and Octavia. He didn’t want to punish Atom, but it was necessary in order to establish himself as a leader. I also think that Bellamy had trouble sharing his sister with people he didn’t know or trust. It was hard for him to accept that his sister was growing up and moving on without him.

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">8)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">That isn’t what Bellamy said though. He said that the knife and the fingers should be kept quiet which he was right to say. As we saw when Clarke accused Murphy, the delinquents couldn’t handle doling out justice. To them, it was easier to accept floating him because that’s all The Ark taught them. The Grounders were a threat them at this point. They shot Jasper and strung him up as live bait. They had no way of knowing what else the Grounders were capable of at that point. Their fear united them against their common enemy. I agree that their fear kept them from peace, but they had good reason to be afraid by S3. To Pike, the grounders were the people who poisoned the snow that killed his people. To many of those in Arkadia, the grounders were the one who left them in Mount Weather then killed their people in the mountain. Skaikru had tried to make peace in S2, but Lexa betrayed them. It’s understandable why they wouldn’t trust the grounders so easily at that point.

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">9)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">Bellamy did trust Murphy though. I found it hard to believe too honestly. However, the evidence for this lies in the fact the Bellamy gave Murphy a gun after his big stink about not giving Murphy a gun. I mean Murphy had just saved his life, it’s reasonable to assume on some level, that Bellamy would trust Murphy a bit more after that. I’m glad you brought up the man with the map. That is evidence that Finn wouldn’t have listened to Bellamy as Bellamy didn’t want that man to die claiming it would be an “execution”, but Finn killed him anyway. It wasn’t that Bellamy didn’t try to stop Finn; it’s that he saw there was no point. There was no “finding another way” for Finn. He had his mind made up that he was going to find Clarke no matter what it cost him or those around him.

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:.75in;mso-add-space: auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2level1lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">a)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">Octavia never went into Lincoln’s village. She sat outside while Lincoln went to get her medicine. So while she knew where it was, she didn’t know where the 48 were until Clarke told her. This is all my speculation of course.

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">10)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">  <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">He thought they were okay though once he placed them in hiding. It turned out later that this was not the case. No matter what Bellamy did in the Mountain, it wouldn’t have been enough to save everyone. Had he stayed with his people and not freed the Grounders, the Grounders would’ve died. Had he stayed with the Grounders and not gone back to his people, his people would’ve died. He tried to save as many people as he could and it still wasn’t enough. That isn’t his fault. Bellamy was alone in the Mountain, doing all the things that Clarke and Lexa had decided to do while still dealing with everything that happening. One guy to save 48 teens, a couple hundred Grounders, and the people of Mount Weather and somehow it’s his fault that Lexa took her people out of the Mountain?

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0level1lfo3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">a)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">      <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">The Grounders had proven themselves to fight well against guns before though….

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1level1lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"">11)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"TimesNewRoman";">  <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif"">There was no choice for Clarke, Bellamy, or Monty in that situation. Lexa, Dante, and Cage took away that option when they chose their people over peace and possible unity. Lexa had warriors who were loyal to her and were willing to fight for her when the plan was to save Skaikru alongside her people. So it isn’t a question that Lexa’s people would’ve fought the Mountain Men had Lexa instructed them to do so. However, Lexa chose to leave thus taking her army and wounded with her. I don’t fault her for that at all because as a leader, she did what was in the best interest of her people. Cage and Dante were the same. They were taking the bone marrow from Skaikru in order to give their people a better life. When Kane offered to have people donate their bone marrow, Cage was angry that Clarke had killed his father, so he didn’t listen. Since I can’t find fault in Lexa, Cage, or Dante; how am I supposed to find fault in Clarke, Bellamy, or Monty for doing the same thing? So while Lexa, Cage, and Dante may not have killed the people of Mount Weather; they were contributing factors into how things turned out on the Mountain.