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TDCT wrote: Octavia came to the Conclave because she had only war left in her. She says in the episode she thought she was fighting for herself which means she only wanted to kill people. But during her talk with Indra, hearing Bellamy and Roan's conversation, and remembering Lincoln made her change her goal. She then won the Conclave and that still didn't make her the leader. If she had said nothing then Kane would still be the leader. But she was fighting for the bunker and so she had the right to give it to whoever she wanted, like Luna chose to fight for not giving it to anyone. And if that seems strange to us and Skaikru, that is how the Grounders always worked. The fighter/winner decides. If Fio had made the same speech then everyone would have followed him. When she reunited all the clans, she became the leader because she was the one reuniting them, and if it wasn't her no one was in charge. Because there was no Nightbloods anymore, and all the clans leaders were at the same rank. So she became "Osleya" as you see in 5x02, she doesn't even want to lead herself until the rebellion but she has to because the Grounders only look at her. And she is not a Commander, Indra tries to make her pretend she is with the symbols because those are the symbols the Grounders believe in but then, Octavia realizes that the symbols make her be a Commander (without actually being one, so a Fake Commander) and decides to lead as herself and not as the Fake Commandef she pretended she was (so she becomes Blodreina, her own kind of leader)

I don't know if that was clear but she won the Conclave so taking the spots from Skaikru was right for the Grounders "laws" and wrong for Skaikru's own "laws", but not taking them was wrong for the Grounders "laws" and right for Skaikru's own "laws" (I say "own" because they are supposed to be included in the Coalition and therefore follow the Grounders/Coalition's laws). That is why 4x11 and 12 explore that. Everyone is right and only does what is best for his people. @TDCT The conclave was never meant to choose a new leader. It was for the clan of the winner to be saved. Winning the conclave didn't grant Octavia the right to be leader of Skaikru, because you could still clearly see her telling the skaikru leader kane to choose. She pretty much completed a hostile takeover because she leveraged the grounders lives to gain an army. It would have been a brilliant strategy if they had let a villain employ that, and not try to portray Octavia as a hero employing such cutthroat methods. She never had any right to make any proclamations.Luna fought for no-one to take the bunker because she was the only one left in her clan and she had the right to choose not to enter after winning.

What grounder law states that the winner should become leader.