Talk:Finn Collins/@comment-26832353-20150807153259/@comment-76.17.103.248-20150809232339

Skyzy finds every reason in the book to fault Finn and every excuse in the book to defend Bellamy. Some of the latter are actually amusing.

There's a difference between flirting and romantic advances. There's also a difference between flirting and being playful. When Finn floated around in the dropship, he first spoke to Wells. It was a playful dig on Jaha. Identifying Clarke as the one kept in solitary was really just a device by the writers to get Clarke to identify Finn as the spacewalker. I would hardly call that flirting.

Flirting is acting amorously without serious intentions. Putting a flower in a girl's hair wasn't an invitation to start a romantic relationship. When Octavia started spinning around a tree to get Finn's attention, he walked right by her and didn't even look at her. Finn was being playful when he pulled Clarke into the water. He was trying to get her to lighten up a little, and take a break, not asking her to be his girlfriend. All the other stuff could just as easily be interpreted as being friendly. The closest he got to a romantic gesture was giving her the deer. Even that wasn't absolute. A romantic advance is an action that moves forward towards a relationship. It's asking someone on a date, showing affection by holding her hand, kissing her, etc. Finn hadn't done that.

And rape? Seriously? Talk about reaching! Or rather pulling something out of you know what.

"...regardless of whether or not you're in love with them, you don't purposefully do things that would hurt them whether or not they find out."

The key word in your statement is "purposefully." That's the whole point. Finn wasn't purposely trying to hurt either girl. And if Raven perished on the Ark, as he thought she would, how could he hurt her? She couldn't find out if she were dead. I really think that Finn, as a character, was a victim of sloppy writing. He was mishandled more than once by the writers. There was neglect in his development and progression, some inconsistencies and contradictions, and incoherence, especially when it came to his breakdown. I think they wanted to introduce his impulsiveness as a flaw. But primarily, they wanted us to understand that Finn acts for love. Still, some needed to see the whole picture to really get that. At the time he slept with Clarke, it was probably easy for some to misunderstand him. But to continue to characterize him as "a little bitch" or "F--boy" after everything else we learned about him isn't being fair. He doesn't fit those definitions. The word that best describes Finn is very simple. Human.

Your reasoning about Bellamy and honesty is misguided at best. Bellamy was deceiving them all by giving them a false sense of security. In truth, he was risking everyone's life. He made them think that they would continue to be treated like 2nd class citizens and criminals. He even convinced them to turn their backs on their own loved ones still on the Ark. Are you going to tell me that those kids wouldn't have behaved differently if they knew Bellamy's real motive? And how differently would Jaha and the others have acted if they had evidence that the 100 were alive?