Talk:John Murphy/@comment-92.233.52.33-20150110185343/@comment-25176701-20150425132625

To @Foreverlife8: It doesn't matter if Connors and Myles tried to kill Murphy in the PAST. They weren't trying to kill him when he murdered them first. Murphy even helped Connor when he was sick with the virus, by doing that Murphy was showing that he forgave Connor for what he did. The two were no longer fighting with each other. And Myles never tried to kill or harm Murphy in any way after he returned to camp. Those two weren't fighting with each other anymore either. Connor and Myles were defiantly provoked by Murphy. Murphy treated Connor, as well as a couple of the other Delinquents, like crap. Myles probably saw what Murphy was doing to the others and hated him for it.

And Murphy did not have a right to try and kill Bellamy. In my opinion, Murphy being hung was mostly Bellamy's fault because he didn't stop the other Delinquents, partly knowing that Murphy was telling the truth and that he didn't actually kill Wells. Bellamy had no right to try and kill Murphy, even after Charlotte died. However, at the time, Bellamy allowed Murphy back in camp. He allowed Murphy to rejoin the Delinquents. Murphy tried to kill him after they were already done fighting with each other.

Murphy shot Raven because she helped Bellamy, not because he thought she was Octavia. He didn't plan to kill anyone except Myles, Connor, and Bellamy. However, when people started to help Bellamy, he wanted them dead, too.

"Also, perhaps Murphy didn't care about Connor or Myles. But they had shown no regret towards trying to murder him"- Connor showed remorse in 'I Am Become Death'. He wondered how Murphy could be helping him after what he did. Murphy said "bygones" after that. It's obvious Connor showed remorse. As for Myles, we never really saw his relationship with Murphy (like we did with Connor and Murphy at the beginning of S1). In 'The Calm', Myles was shot with an arrow by the Grounders and injured. In 'WAGP1', Myles was killed by Murphy when he was injured and weak. I would say Myles was spending more time worrying about his own life (since he was dying) instead of feeling remorse for taking somebody else's life.

"Raven created the "Ring of Fire" and Jasper had pushed the button. Yet they had shown no remorse towards that"- They also were being attacked by 300 savage warriors. The warriors would not give up until they got what they wanted, and what they wanted was the Delinquents dead. If they hadn't killed the warriors, everyone at the Camp would die. Those killings were in war. And whose to say they did not feel any remorse? I don't think Raven showed remorse (or at least not as much as she should have) but I do believe Jasper was sorry for what he did. Jasper doesn't like to kill. He has to in order to survive. Also, Raven was dying, so she was probably worrying more about her own life than showing remorse for killing a bunch of savages who tried to kill her people first.

Conclusion
Raven and Jasper killed in war to protect their people. That's forgivable. Finn killed because of his PTSD/mental state and did feel remorse. He gave up his life to earn redemption and so his people and friends could be in peace. That's a bit harder to forgive, but if you look at the person Finn was before the war, he was a good person. If you look at his good deeds instead of just his dark deeds, it will take time, but eventually he can be forgiven. Murphy, on the other hand, killed multiple people and tried to kill multiple more for nothing but revenge. Revenge isn't forgivable. Maybe if the person's very sorry it is, but it would take a lot of time for me to forgive somebody who murdered for revenge.