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Dinoking745765 wrote: JCB95 wrote:

Dinoking745765 wrote:

JCB95 wrote: I thought it was a great episode but didn't see the ending coming.

Octavia was great, and had great moments with all the major competitors during the con conclave. I like how her and Bellamy reconciled before the battle along with Indra giving Octavia the sword. I like how she used everything she learned from those close to her, and I like how they brought that up in the end. I find it funny how Octavia was able to unite the clans, something that they've been working on since season 1. I think she will lead an army of the left behind skikru and grounders to take the bunker by force similar to the failed mt. Wheather attack. Also I really liked all the Lincoln references.

As for the conclave itself I thought it was great, but could have been improved a little if they had changed curtain representatives from some clans. Keep Lilian, Octavia and Luna, but they should have replaced Roan with Echo, and Fio with Indra. Don't get me wrong I love indra, but I have an idea for her death that would have worked great during the conclave.

Lilian was good, and I like what they did with him this episode. However I feel if they had indra take his death it would have been more impactful. He should have been killed protecting Octavia from Luna in my opinion. I said this before, but the scenes were they were training was a good scene to put last episodes scene were Lilian explains his ideology of death, and we could have skipped the bs scenes from last episode.

Roan was really great in this episode, but they should have had echo fight instead of him. I feel they only had echo cheat in order for Bellamy to later get taken to the bunker, I don't really see the point of her story ofther than a plot device for Bellamy. Echo could have fought, but after Octavia and her ally in my theory indra, in the show Lilian fight the grounder alliance. However after echo appears and prepares to kill Octavia, but indra takes the arrow. Octavia and her then have a rematch of their previous fight but Octavia kills her. Roan was still great and it was a surprise cause you think he's going to somehow win given he was a regular. Like he said he got a great honorable death. For the king to fall to a nightblood who was better than Lexa only made since to me in this case.

Luna's arc was brilliantly done in my opinion. I like how they brought up her conclave, and referenced what impact it had on her. I understand her motives, and if you look at it from her perspective I understand her motives. She saw the dark side of people, how the fighters in the conclave were only fighting for their own selfish reasons. Also I get her for turning on skikru cause they treated her similar to how the mt. Men treated grounders. Her death was really great in the end, and she too got an honorable death.

Indra was great in the episode, bringing up Lincoln was great for her character and giving Octavia her sword. I do wish she died in the conclave allying with Octavia and Lilian. However I'm glad she lived, and now have a new idea for her death. What if she dies, and it makes Gaia a fighter kind of like an indra 2.0, but not until next season. I also loved the hug indra and Gaia shared after Fio lost, it seemed to me as if they were reconciling to an extant.

Clarke and Jaha's plan was extremely stupid, at this point I feel it was Jaha's idea which makes me hate him. I was really loving his character, but if it was his plan he can burn in the radiation. I do blame Clarke, but I feel Jaha is the voice telling her what to do. Did she really think Bellamy would be ok leaving his sister, unless she fought she would lose. Also how could she think Abby would be ok with leaving Kane behind.

In the end it was a great episode. I feel a small skirmish may happen for the bunker and Clarke and Jaha may be arrested for treason. If a skirmish does happen we could have another bloodbath of redshirts which I kind of want to happen. Also the summary saying Clarke rushes to save a friend could now also mean Octavia. I would like to see the war with grounders and skikru fighting skikru it would be cool.

Final points isn't there now only one day till primfaya? The conclave started at day 3 and we saw two nights so has two days past leaving one day left. If so could we get a bottle episode of Raven and Jasper's story so the final is signally focused on primfaya.

Let me know what you think should Roan and Fio have been switched for indra and echo. Maybe I felt the conclave should have been a little better due to high expectations, but what do you think. Well done on your analysis.

I disagree that Roan should have been replaced with Echo because it is the best fighters from the clans and he is the best fighter in Azgeda. Fio, though, I agree with. Indra is a better fighter than him. I'm just saying that echo's story was just a plot device. She has been in the story since season 2. They could have incorporated what she was doing into her fighting the conclave. Take out the old character (echo) keep the new character (Roan). Also I feel echo is pretty well trained. She was a spy a royal guard. I get what you're saying. I would have preferred Echo died than Roan because Roan was more diplomatic, being the king as well. But I feel is being the king had something to do with it. It has to do with Lexa in S3 "I'm the commander and I fight my own battles" kinda thing. I just wouldn't have seen Echo in this conclave doing well, and I feel as it only fit that Roan go into the conclave. To each his own though. Yeah Roan most likely fought for the same reason Lexa fought last season. I strongly disagree with the fact that echo would not do well in the conclave. She is the head of the royal guard, which means her job is to protect the monarch. I doubt they give that job to an average warrior, so I would think she would be pretty vicious. Also she is a spy so she could just hide until the end and be one of the last warriors standing.