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I started reading what you posted while I was at work, and I was just going to reply on my next day off, but then I read what you were saying about Clarke and Abby and omg, lol, I was literally just thinking about this! I don't know if it was because of recent spoilers (which may or may not be real) -- I'll try to keep them out of this in case you don't know and don't want to be spoiled. But yeah, Abby knowing about Clarke's sexuality is something I ponder, lol. I kind of want it to be brought up, but then I also really don't think the 'B' word, or even just, "Hey mom, I like girls, too" will ever be said. And I also think that's ok. In other shows it would be important, and I would absolutely expect it, especially if this is a teenage girl and her mother, but in this universe no one seems to care. And I like that. It makes sense in a way. It's not the gender of the person Abby would care about Clarke being in love with, it would just be the person themself. And I think that's really nice. So I don't think Abby needs to know Clarke is bisexual​, I just think she needs to know about ​​Lexa​ and what she meant to her daughter. I really want Clarke to just talk to Abby, a real mother daughter talk. I'm super close to my mom, so I'd just be sobbing out all my feelings by now if I were Clarke -- but I know she's not me, so we'll see.

Then I read what you said about what you think Abby was thinking when she said "start with Bellamy". And NOOOOO, don't think of it that way -- I mean, you can obviously, but I promise, I 100% don't believe she meant it in a way where she would prefer ​anyone. It wasn't even totally her, but I don't see it as a part of her that was in there prefering Bellamy over Lexa. I don't even think she has much of an idea of what's going on when it comes to her daughter's feelings about anyone in that way. I think Abby​ knows that Bellamy is somehow important to Clarke, and ALIE used it as a way to get what she wants. So I don't believe there was any preference involved, just knowledge and manipulation.

Oh no, dont worry. I didn't mean Murphy/Lexa as a romantic couple, lol. I don't think Murphy would last very long if that were the case, lol.

I had an idea before Lexa died -- I'm not a Lexa stan so I don't know how her fans would like it -- that she would be stripped of her Commander position. I already don't like the Grounder hierarchy, so I thought it would be cool for Lexa to be forced to become a normal girl. Not that she already wasn't, but that the Commander part of her would be gone and then the other main characters could've gotten to know her that way, and she could've found out about herself without the Commander title -- it'd become such a big part of who she was, but she was obvioiusly more than that. I dunno, I just think that would've been an interesting way to bring her into the fold of the main cast.

Also, just a side note -- because this already isn't going to be long enough, i'm sure -- I think you should give tumblr a try if you haven't already. It is a nest of crazy, I admit, but if you turn off anonymous and block anyone who likes drama and fights, it's actually a really fun place to look at pretty gifs of your faves, make nice friends and have your mind blown by all the meta and analysis. Even the gifs show parallels and things that I would never ​catch and I'm always so pleasantly surprised by how intelligent our fandom is.

I'm really sorry your friends are like that. I would say that maybe they're not meaning what they say in a hurtful way, but I don't know them. I hope they're not. I hate saying negative stuff about shipping, because I know it's mostly looked at as a "girl thing", and people always want to put down anything girls like, but I admit shipping does narrow people's vision so much that they just don't see anything except their couple. Which is sad, because this show is cool, and your friends are totally missing out on an awesome adventure. So that's their loss. Don't let it get you down.

Believe me, I do not see Lexa as a cold hearted cow, and that's not at all what I meant when I was comparing her to Pike. I didn't mean how ​she and Pike acted with Clarke and Bellamy, but what their characters meant to the overall similar arcs of Clarke and Bellamy in season 3. Clarke ran away from her people. She did. That's just a thing that happened. And she absolutely deserved to do that. But Bellamy did too, just not physically. When Clarke decided to stay with Lexa, my personal belief was that it was for a lot of reasons. One of them being, she just didn't want to face home and have to work through the pain she was feeling -- she was running away from it. That too included making those tough choices that leaders have to make, because poor Clarke was still reeling from her last one. The girl needed a break. And Lexa was suddenly there, and she was strong and confident and took on the hard choices. And while she makes Clarke an ambassador, it really wasn't anything like what Clarke had been made to do since she landed on the ground. Lexa gave her the time and relief Clarke needed from her own resposibilities. And look what happened, our Clarke came back just as strong in the end, all because Lexa gave her what she needed.

Now, Pike and Bellamy is not so nice obviously, lol. But it's still similar in a way. Bellamy stays, but not really. He has a girlfriend, and while he seems to care for her, he doesn't really seem all ​that invested. He was trying so very hard to pretend that he was ok, and I think he was even fooling himself tbh. Then Echo comes, Bellamy immediately trusts her because after what they'd been through in the mountain, why wouldn't he? But of course, that all goes south, and not only does his girlfriend die but so do all the other people he was supposed to protect. And it's all his fault for trusting another Grounder who just ends up screwing him over yet again. Or, this is how Pike paints it, and Bellamy, already way too lost after the first MW disaster, falls for it. In so many words, Pike promises that, that won't happen again. They won't lose anymore of their ​people to Grounders who are all the same and just want to wipe them all out (Pike's rhetoric not mine by the way). So Bellamy gives him everything he has, because he's broken and desperate to protect the people he's failed. He gives Pike the guns, and his backing, he honestly just gives him himself, because he's obviously tired and too broken to ​make the decisions​.

Does that kind of make more sense what I mean now? I didn't mean Lexa was a small minded, xenophobic, but that her character does the same for Clarke that Pike does for Bellamy. Clarke and Bellamy were both so lost ​and broken after MW and they gave themselves away to others just to hide from the responsibilty and the pain.

There probably are Bellarke fans who just want the sex. I've seen tons of Clexa posts sexualizing Clarke and Lexa as well. What does that matter? Fangirls will do that, I'm not going to bash them for it. But sex isn't the only important thing in a relationship. Take Clexa and Clarke/Niylah for example. One encounter was super sexual, even with funky porno-ish music playing in the background, while the other was sensual and emotional. I mean, it's obvious what the writers were trying to do here, we're supposed to compare the encounters. Clexa loved each other, their sexual encounter shows that too by not being ​about ​the sex. Pride and Prejudice, arguably one of the most romantic stories -- nope, no sex. Sex is great, and I hope we get Bellarke sex too, but I don't have ​to have it. The intimacy they share is more than just physical -- and it gives me butterflies just thinking about it.

Them being better together thing -- I didn't mean it in a romantic way. I meant it in a leadership way. You have to remember that Clarke and Bellamy's relationship (not romantic relationship) is supposed to represent the delinquents relationship as well. They were all broken in 3a, but man they healed ​together throughout 3b. They worked ​together, and they got through what they did by realizing that they're better together than fighting on different sides. Bellarke = delinquents. That's not to say that everything is fine and dandy and they're all a bunch of rays of sunshine, lol. But they are now in a place where they ​can ​start hoping again, and hope is what S4 is supposedly all about. The only one I'm truly confuzzled about is Octavia. She's obviously going down the same dark path as 3a Bellamy, but will she see that before it's too late? I cannot wait for S4! We're only a week and a half away!

Ok, about Clarke moving on. What you have to remember...


 * 1) 1. This is a TV show. Granted The 100 is different, but it's not that ​different. Things happen quickly, including relationships, which come and go and start and finish all the time. The main character is ​usually ​the one in these multiple relationships (or they're in a 'will they won't they' relationship). Hello, Clarke.


 * 1) 2. My dear, sweet friend (because you are nice and thoughtful, you are my friend now despite the fact that we are on opposite sides of a bitter ship war, lol) this is no more unrealistic than Clarke mourning her best friend, whom she's known most of her life, for all of two minutes before getting distracted by a shiny pencil. It's no more unrealistic than stabbing her bf (who yes, we all agree was awful, but she obviously felt ​something ​for him) then a week or two later making out with someone new. I mean, that kiss was hot and it didn't come out of nowhere, feelings had been growing between Clarke and Lexa soon ​after Finn's death.


 * 1) 3. She did ​mourn Lexa. I mean, imo she still needs to talk to someone about her relationship (pls be Abby, pls be Abby). But 3b she spent so much time looking at that darn flame, lol. The flame ​is Lexa to her. What's left of the woman she loved is in there as far as she believes, but she can't hold onto it forever. And being able to say goodbye, a ​real ​goodbye in the CoL, was what she needed to let go. I'm not saying she's going to be over Lexa next episode and start making out with Raven (my princess mechanic heart can still dream, ok) But she has reached her next step, which is letting go. And I think when she has to actually physically let go of the flame, however that happens, it'll be even better for her. It's not healthy holding onto that sadness. That doesn't mean she's forgetting Lexa, or no longer cares for Lexa, but she's a young girl, and she's alive and she deserves to live instead of wallowing in sadness forever.

I wonder what "tribal ways" Jason was talking about. That has me kind of curious. Have I mentioned how excited I am for S4!

I don't think she meant an exact comparison between Clarke and Odysseus, I think she meant the fact that they were both on their own journey home (his just took way longer, lol). Unless she was thinking deeper than that, I don't know. I'm not as smart as you two, lol. From what I understood, she was saying Calypso/Lexa took Odysseus/Clarke onto a turn from their original journey. And while she didn't mention the sex slave part, it does now remind me that for the first week Clarke wasn't ​allowed to leave. And even after that, Lexa literally put guards in her way to keep her from going into Arkadia. And the same goes for Bellamy's comparison to Penelope. Not an exact comparison, but he represents home to Clarke, just like Odysseus spending all that time trying to get ​home​, and that's where she ended up by the end of the season, her journey complete. That's what I got out of it anyway.

I never read Harry Potter -- that's my sister's obsession -- but yeah, Hunger Games doesn't at all treat its readers as stupid, which my pre-teen self at the time really appreciated.

Oh! I just realized I can ask you, because no one ever knows or answers me, the Traveller's Blessing is a Arker thing? I thought it was. So how did Lexa know to say it when she left Clarke in MW? Was it an oversight of the writers, or was there something I missed?

I'm glad you're a geek, I enjoy learning new things. Especially literature/history things.

I don't get the Adam and Eve reference? Just that Clarke's lesbian lover died? That's ignorant if so, but whatever. People are stupid. I usually just try to stay away from the petty jerks. Like I said, biphobia is everywhere in this fandom, and in both ships. And I try really hard not to let it bother me, because it's a TV show, but these people are actually saying these things because that's what they think. And it kinda hurts to know that.

I just see a lot a people complaining about how much of a cry baby and how emo Bellamy is. I'm just over here like, "yeah ok, at least he's comfortable with himself enough to ​cry." Men have emotions too, it doesn't make them less of one to show it.

I don't really see Clarke as discrimintory either, but when it comes to race, it's just not my call. I haven't faced the same things as others, and I know that. And it wouldn't be Clarke necessarily, but the writers. And while I agree with the politics thing, TV, books and movies kind of show where we are as a society, and teaches us how we need to change. I can see how discussion like that can be a good thing.

Why do you think Bellarke being together would make her needy?

I'm honestly enjoying GoT better now than I was in the beginning. I'm not sure why. But I've always been incredibly impressed by how tight the writing is with just 10 episodes. I gave up on TWD forever ago. It just became too boring, and like you said, repetitive.