Talk:Charles Pike/@comment-27790122-20160221192232/@comment-86.185.144.168-20160229111108

1. "people like you will complain, if there was no black character in the show, y'all would cry that the show is "racist" because there are not enough black guys to make it a bit more "authentic""

Racist.

- what? How is this racist, it was an example, and I have heard people complaining about not enough POC in the shows/movies that take place where in real life, there are many POC. I might crossed the line of saying you would complain (not sure you would), still, I did not say anything racist.

2. "even if the show was racist or make some kind of stereotype on purpose, so what?"

So what? Here is where your thought-process is fundamentally defective but allow me to continue showing why I decided long ago not to waste my time arguing with racists.

- This was taken out of context again. "So what" in this did not mean "it is okay". Read the rest of what I have written, I never said making stereotype on purpose is okay, it was in relation to the influence on people and that the author should not be held responsible.

3. "I love racist jokes (even if they are aimed at me in case of my nation)...but I was never racist myself"

That's something only racists say.

- just becuase I do not take everything seriously, and have no problem people making fun of my nation, does not mean I am racist. Also I never made these jokes myself, and most jokes on POC I have heard from POC themselves - are they racist too then? You (not specifically you, but all the people with similar mindset) should relax a bit, I feel like I cannot even laugh at stereotypical jokes on Colombian/Mexican drug dealer stereotype, at a caricature of Frenchman waving white flag with a baguette in one hand and wine in another, a joke about Jews and holocaust, or a joke about slavery without being framed as racist/antisemitic/homophobic/neonazi. If this qualifies me a racist, so be it, but in Europe, lots of people laugh at these jokes, I don't know how are people growing so sensitive recently. It is a joke, not a real life, I seriously doubt that if you knew me in person, knew how many POC I have encountered, and how I treated them when it comes to real, serious matters, you would ever say I am racist (how would you explain my POC-related activities I mentioned before? how would you explain my plans to employ people according to skills, not race as soon as I finish uni and start working as a recruiter or for my own company, which both are likely at some point after finishing my uni? What would matter more at the end of the day, that I have already helped some people and plan to help more, or that I have laughed at the joke about African slavery; I bet for all those people, it is more important how do you treat them when it comes to serious issues, POC, like everyone, need to have equal opportunities and having public sector like teachers and office workers with qualified and professionaly unbiased people, if you are starving and can't find a job, the fact that someone did not laugh about a joke about your skincolour or complain while watching a show does not really help).

4. "no effect on THEM"

- I am sorry, this was a typo. I wanted to say it has no effect on ME in the context of my relationships with POC or LGBTI. And as I have said earlier, what my environment does is irrelevant, if you say I am racist just because my environment is, you do the same as racist people.

5. "I never said anything about getting the government involved (*shudders*). All I said is they need to regulate POC characters just as they currently regulate white female characters."

- Who is "they" then? Authors? Directors? If they decide how many POC or females do they cast, they are not regulated by anyone but themselves. And that is how is should be.

6. "Reductio ad Hitlerum"

- I could go on with tens of of examples from history and maybe present too, that little mention of nazis in the brackets was not the point, it is just very easy since 1. it is very extreme therefore easy to understand, 2. I do not know how deep your knowledge of history is, but Nazis and USSR is something that everyone knows. My point would work the same way even if Hitler was never born. You again caught up a little thing that was in bracket and build your argument upon it. Plus I do not really see how the quote with nazi mention is racist in any way.

7. "Straw man argument"

- Okay, from the tone and the way you presented before, it almost sounded like you want government or if not government, someone else other than people involved in producing the show to step in (in any way). If I am wrong, and that is not your intention, what exactly is? How would you fix it?

8. I do not see anything racist about the idea of blacklivesmatter, even though it was misused by many (probably racist) people. As far as rap goes, just because it is a reaction to racism (well, it was at some point), does not automatically mean it can't be racist, and if you take into account worldwide rap scene, also rap made by other races than African-Americans, you come across some lyrics that can be considered racist, especially if you take them out of the context, which appears you like to do a lot. But again, you missed the point of my "big" argument - again, you build your counterargument on the fact that rap might not be racist, but forgot about the misogyny and homophobia in rap music, which definitely exists in rap music. Instead of looking for quickest way out by pointing out some "flaws", I wonder what would be your reaction to what I have actually said, and not only because I spend huge portion of my life listening, analysing and even making music (including rap).