Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-28398720-20160530203022/@comment-11565898-20170102230050

-Look at it this way. Bellamy was a known traitor due to him being part of Octavia being hidden so long and he being her brother. Shumway was a respected member of the guard. In that situation, who would you believe? I mean Shumway could’ve easily made up a story about Bellamy finding out about the Dropship and obtaining the gun, so I don’t see that working out for Bellamy. Then let’s just say for fun that Bellamy gets Jaha to believe him and Shumway is locked up. Do you honestly believe that Jaha would pardon Octavia and let her stay on The Ark? The same Jaha that sent his own son to the ground and called the lives of children “expendable”? I’m going to say a hard no to that.

-Again, I must disagree with part of this. I agree that Wells wasn’t in the scheme of things, important enough for Bellamy, but I don’t think it’s because Bellamy didn’t care. Bellamy didn’t go after Well’s murderer because it doesn’t make much sense to go after someone without solid evidence. He was right to say “fear of the Grounders is what is building that wall” because it was. For all they knew, Grounders could’ve killed Wells. Yet because Octavia and Jasper found a knife with “JM” on it, suddenly Clarke broke the case wide open? As we saw with Murphy’s hanging, all that brought was chaos, something Bellamy was trying to avoid at the time.. Onto Finn, Bellamy tried to protect Finn. It was Finn who decided to give himself up to the Grounders and with that, there was nothing that Bellamy could’ve done. Finally Lincoln was important to Bellamy. That’s why he went to Octavia and why he tried to stop Lincoln from going into the Medbay. It isn’t that Bellamy doesn’t care about life, but that he wants so badly to save it, that he doesn’t think about the consequences until later. To him, “the end justifies the means” even if the “means” hurt him.

-As for Murphy, I agree that Bellamy should have stood up for John. Would he have hung Octavia or Charlotte? I don’t think it would’ve come to that because you forget that people hated Murphy. It was the other delinquents that chose to hang Murphy, not Bellamy. He did use John (not in the way Aurora was used mind you because that was a sick  abuse of power while what Bellamy did was use Murphy to enforce his laws), but what Murphy chose to do with the power Bellamy gave him was all Murphy. Keep in mind that Bellamy built a whole team which included Atom, Miller, Monroe, and many others yet why was Murphy the one people disliked? I am in no way victim shaming Murphy because what happened to him was wrong. Clarke shouldn’t have accused him. Bellamy should’ve stood up for him. That’s why I get upset every time I see that episode. It was an all-around shitty situation, but I can’t find myself only blaming Bellamy.

- Finn wasn’t a solider. I mean, up until S2, Finn didn’t even like the use of violence. It was only after he lost Clarke that he started to lose himself and began using whatever it took to find her. Also, Finn never respected or even liked Bellamy from the get-go. Finn only ever followed Clarke. Bellamy couldn’t make Finn listen to him because Finn had no respect for Bellamy’s leadership. So, what would you have had Bellamy do? Finn already had a gun and mission in his mind. Mel was hurt and so were most of his crew. So Bellamy did what he thought was right. He asked Murphy to watch over Finn because he trusted Murphy (at that moment) to do the right thing. It was Finn’s obsession and PTSD that killed 19 people, not Bellamy’s lack of leadership.

-Bellamy was “too late”? I guess trying to save people from having their bone marrow stolen would make someone “late”. It’s not he had just freed the Grounders or anything. Or that, he only left the Grounders because he found out the delinquents were being hurt. Yeah, but let’s focus on the fact that he was “too late”. “The delinquents were hiding”? I hardly think barricading a room so the Mountain Men wouldn’t come in to then have them break in and start taking people was the delinquents “hiding”. Now, onto the theory of Bellamy coming back to the Grounders being dead. You’re right, I don’t think anyone thought about that possibly because 1) the Grounders have proven themselves to great fighters, 2) the Grounders had more people compared to the Delinquents and 3) the plan was to have the Grounders on the outside come in to help the Grounders on the inside, so why would he have needed to stay.

-So Octavia’s anger is justified then? The fact that instead of talking to Indra, Lincoln, or Bellamy, she punches them is okay? If so, then everything Bellamy has ever done is okay. I mean, he was scared too. He too was desperate for his people to stop being killed. Does that excuse his behavior? I don’t think so. I don’t think Octavia is a bad person either and I agree that she is the way she is because these are things she has learned over time. However, does it make it right to beat someone up every time you are afraid or angry. I don’t think so and that’s why I get angry when Bellamy does it. So how am I not supposed to get upset when Octavia does it? That sets up a double-standard which is something I don’t like. Both Blake’s (haha alliteration) have issues with their emotions and how to deal with them and just because someone “deserves” an action doesn’t make it okay. It wasn’t okay for Bellamy to murder the 299 Grounders just as it wasn’t okay for Octavia to beat Bellamy to pulp.

-On the Ark, Bellamy didn’t want to be alone. He was forced to in fear that if he revealed too much about himself to others, Octavia would’ve been hurt. When he got to the Ground, he still was guarded because it’s the only thing he had ever known. Octavia wasn’t there for him when he suffered, Clarke was. That’s why it hurt him so much when Clarke left because now he was forced to keep himself together in order to keep everyone else together. Monty had a mom and a dad who loved and cared for him. They allowed him to express what he felt when he felt it. I don’t know about Jasper’s parents, but Jasper had Monty on the Ark who helped him express his anger. Raven had Finn on the Ark. They didn’t hurt anyone because they had learned not to from other people in their life who showed them what to do when they were upset. Bellamy didn’t have that. Growing up, he had a mother who told him to keep his emotions in check so that he could protect his sister. Only now after getting to the Ground, has he been able to express what he is actually feeling and it’s only when Clarke is around.

-What you are asking Bellamy to do is what he has been trying to do since S1. It is what we all as people do, but that doesn’t work. I mean at the end of the day, a person ultimately decides who they want to be, but without other people beside them, they can’t find new perspectives, they can’t actually make a choice. People need people in order to change them and show them what they want to be. Bellamy could’ve simply not cared about Octavia. It would’ve made his life a lot easier, but he didn’t. Why? It was because his mother showed a different perspective to him. She showed him that family is important, something Bellamy has carried over into his days on the Ground. Clarke showed him what rules and order actually meant after his awful experience on the Ark told him something differently. My point is that we learn from people. You learned to be the way you are from people around you. It isn’t stopping someone’s dream or being childish; it’s asking for help. Bellamy doesn’t think he is worthy of people’s help though which is a major Blake flaw as Octavia has this issue as well.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">A) As Bellamy not choosing Kane; Bellamy didn’t choose Kane in S2 because Kane and Abby were in the wrong. Instead of listening to the people who had experience on the Ground, Abby and Kane ignored the Delinquents and dismissed the as children who didn’t know better. In S3, he didn’t follow Kane because he thought Kane was asking him (yet again) to overlook the Grounders killing more of their people (which he was). He was tired of his people dying and having to be the bigger person. It’s sad that what happened with Pike and the Grounders is what happened, but I understand it which is why I don’t hate Bellamy.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">B) He did lie to Lincoln, but that was in order to protect him. It wasn’t “abusive”, it was Bellamy trying to protect his people and Lincoln was his people.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">C) The Grounders didn’t Octavia though. She would’ve never found a “home” with them. So while I think it was douchy to ask Octavia to change herself in order to fit in with the Sky people, I understand it. Throughout history, we have done the same thing which is conform ourselves in order to fit in. It’s why we have movements, but that isn’t what I’m talking about right now. It was his stupid way of (let’s all say it together now) protecting her.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">- The fact is though that everyone in this situation is guilty. The sky people invaded a land they didn’t know belonged to other people. The grounders began killing the sky people because they didn’t care to talk to them. The Grounders speared Jasper and hung him up in the open for anything to find him. Lincoln kidnapped Octavia then stabbed Finn. Bellamy tortured Lincoln. Jasper shot Anya. Raven burned a grounder village with her flares. Anya sent a death squad to killed all of the 100. The 100 burned that army. This is only season one, but there are some many other things that happened in S2 that led to the Grounders and the Sky people’s mutual distrust.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">You want Bellamy to be the bigger person. He tried that. He went to the Grounder village to bury Finn the Grounder way. Raven ended up being accused of poisoning Lexa. He trusted Lexa to help him out of the Mountain and she left them. He trusted Echo to be honest with him about the peace summit. That ended up with the Mountain being blown up and his girlfriend dying. The sky people have bended to the will of the Grounders in the past and yet their people continue to die. It gets a bit hard to trust them after that. It is up to both parties to establish trust again, not just the sky people. That’s what Lexa began with “blood must not have blood”.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">-*New challenge* If you condemn them then you must also condemn us all as we all guilty. There are times when we don’t want to be the bigger person. When we just want to yell and fight because talking doesn’t work. When we are tired of being kind to only be treated as weak. People are only human.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">-Monty was next to Bellamy when Bellamy went to Harper and Miller. What was Bellamy risking? His pride for one, his safety, his own standings his Pike, the friendships he had built up with his people. He risked a lot nothing that his sister wouldn’t trust him, but he did it because he knew that killing Kane, Lincoln, and Sinclair was wrong.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">-To answer your question; “the great goodness” is the lives that he has saved in the name of killing those 1000. The 320 in the culling are inexcusable as he only wanted to save himself. Everyone after that was about saving the Sky people. I guess though that their lives mean nothing, so yeah, let’s just hate Bellamy. Even though Lexa did the same thing. Even though Clarke did the same thing. Even though Cage and Dante did the same thing. Yeah, though Bellamy is the “bad” one.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">You’re right; he was “just a babysitter”. Yet, I think you are undermining what a great “babysitter” he was. He was the one who made life fun for Octavia as their mother provided them with food and shelter. He was the one who let Octavia live. So while Aurora did care for them, Bellamy gave Octavia childhood while Aurora gave Octavia what she needed to survive. That doesn’t make Aurora a bad mother. She did what she had to do to give both of her children food and a place to live. However, Bellamy had a lot of responsibility from a young age. He didn’t get to play around or have a childhood because he was too busy giving Octavia one. It doesn’t excuse his bad shit, but it makes me understand him a little bit.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">-I’m so sure I buy into that the show’s writers killed off Lexa because they couldn’t figure out what to do with her. At the end of the day, we all have “good intentions”. We all want to be the “good guy”, but Bellamy and the rest of the characters don’t have the luxury of that without fighting. The 100 could kill Bellamy if they really wanted to. However that would ruin the whole shows premise which is that there is still hope.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">You say there is no hope for him? Then how is there hope for any of us. Why do Clarke and Octavia or any of us get a pass, but Bellamy doesn’t. He refuses to be loyal? Bellamy is as loyal as they come which is why he has killed so many. It’s why he tried to save Lincoln, Kane, and Sinclair. It’s why he wanted Octavia to stay inside the camp and why he begged her to listen to him. It’s why he wanted to lock up Clarke because he wanted to make sure she was protected. It’s why he stopped going along with what the Grounders wanted and instead listened to what his people wanted even if they were wrong.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">You want so badly for him to be this “bad guy”, but for what? So now we have someone to blame when things go wrong? You want him to die so that he is “held accountable”? Has “blood must have blood” ever stopped the cycle of violence?

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "TimesNewRoman","serif"">Like I’ve stated, Bellamy made not be the “good guy” ,but he isn’t the “bad guy”. He doesn’t kill people because he likes to. He doesn’t lie because he likes to. He doesn’t hurt people because he likes to. He does those things because he thinks he is protecting someone. He does the bad things so that other people don’t have to. That is the balance I am talking about, between being the hero and the villain. He is neither because he does the bad things, but he does them so that others can be the hero.