Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26601629-20170905230106/@comment-26601629-20180422235802

@JCB95

I'm going to start this off by saying of course I do dislike Octavia's character, but i'm in no way being nitpicky.

"Yes we never see her be trained to fight, but that doesn't mean she never learned how to fight. We know she was trained due to how easy she could kill the mount wheather guards in season 2

She definitely never learned to fight like she did. How easy she could kill the mount weather guards? Are you serious, just a week earlier she was getting the snot kicked out of her by Fio, and it was emphasised that while she had guts, she couldn't fight, the next week was spent travelling to and from tondc and getting bombed, exactly when did she train enough to beat the reapers??

Also it is definitely possible that Lincoln could have trained her during the six month time jump.

During the 3 months jump, i do agree that it's possible lincoln could have trained her but a few obvious things say otherwise.

1. If Lincoln did train her, he would have been the one responsible for the majority of not entirety of her fighting skill, yet he is never once credited with training her, always Indra

2. While octavia and Lincoln were technically together at the start of season 3, they were on rocky terms, with octavia angry at Lincoln's choice to be a part of skaikru, and he was shown spending the majority of time in arcadia, where octavia wasn't, does't leave much time for training, whe you don't spend a lot of time together and are that strained.

'''Again he was a soldier so he would know how to fight. Also it is definitely possible that on the ark Bellamy trained her in self defense In the event the guard found her. So in that case she would have a leg up on hand to hand combat. '''

Mate bellamy was a soldier on the ark, true, but teaching octavia h2h to do what??? lol the ark was a closed space there was no teaching her in case. And you could see when the 100 first landed she had 0 combat skills. Never participated in any fight. So, NO, no combat training there.

'''. Going to school would have nothing to do with her learning grounder language, because the ark didn't teach grounder language. Besides Bellamy probably taught her things, and Lincoln taught her the grounder language."'''

I did say we could look past this no? Besides the going to school part was just that she barely had thing to pick up any knowledge. Of course Lincoln taught her the language, that was shown on screen. Again, this was not a point of mine.

'''On the ñote of skairipa she did earn that name. She killed numerous grounders reapers, and mt. Men in the first 2 seasons. Along with 4 ice nation warriors and Pike and a couple of his supporters. Then look at how many people she killed in season 4. Next you'll say Clarke doesn't deserve to be Wanhada.'''

Earned?? Numerous grounder reapers? With 0 fighting skills, because please tell me WHEN she was trianed before taking on said reapers. Might need to rewatch because i don't remember her going one on one with the reapers. People always tried to avoid them. Numerous mountain men that no grounder was there to witness right? Seriously who are these 4 ice nation warriors, wasn't that after she had been given the Skairipa nickname or are you referring to when they wanted to save Roan?. Pike was a lolattack. My point is in a hardened grounder society she was given the nickname skyripa and revered across the land for DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Sorry lol, just had to do that.

Clarke doesn't deserve to be wanheda? Blasphemy. Wanheda means commander of death and since season 1, clarke has most certainly commanded death. In her words, her back's not big enough to contain the number of people she has killed. (Not that, it's a good thing though)

'''Yes we know that Lincoln trained some skaikru to fight. However we only know of Harper (Was in arkadia) Monroe (Dead) and Bellamy. Sure he took Lincoln down easy, but I don't he'd be able to take down Roan that easy. Kane wasn't the head of the guard, and I doubt they used much hand to hand combat since that would use too much strenuous activity which is prohibited on the ark to preserve oxygen.'''

Some?? Mate he was training the sky guards on grounder combat. It wasn't a select few, it was the entire guard, that was what he was doing on arcadia. Even in the scene of the fight, you can see a lot of people around. Whether or not he'd have been able to take Roan down easy is moot, because the same can be said about octavia, even with all of her plot and ex-machinas. No he wasn't head of the guard, it was that betraying dude, and the the lady who's arm got ripped off Major something, on few occassions Kane has been shown to be combat-astute, just like when they wanted to show the grounders how to use the gun he took it from the guard and easily nailed the target multiple times, when he was chipped, he was able to subdue bellamy. They might not have been used much h2h, but i'm sure they would have been trained to some extent since they didn't use guns.

'''Octavia was the best choice she had the best chance of winning having been trained by Indra a clan chief. Also they we're doing things with her character by character development.'''

Again, tell me WHEN she was trained by Indra. Also show me anything that shows that a clan chief is not a political position. Indra has been severly underwhelming in all her fights. She either is a politcian, is not a decent fighter or they have just refused to show her fighting which is odd. Lol character development.

'''Clarke went to Roan because even though Octavia was the best choice she would probably have died against Luna if she wasn't a main character. '''

Clarke went to Roan because she's smart she sees those ex-machinas. Just kidding. Yes she did go to Roan for those reasons, my point about Clarke wasn't supposed to be tied to octavia's selection. She felt the whole conclave  thing was illogical and that Luna was invincible, shich she was, is why she went to roan to secure a sure way to beat Luna, i seem to not have potrayed it as intended.

Octavia has always struggled with where she belongs, she fought for as skaikru became at the time the grounders would never except her as a champion, also they all Probably choice their champions.

Lol even your response indicates she would gladly have been any one's champion, meaning she didn't come there out of any sort of loyalty, just bloodlust. My point was this was to be a champion to represent the survival of each clan, and they picked the one person that  has barely shown loyalty to the clan?? That at the very last time they saw her, she was sucidal and pretty much diavowed skaikru. 0 sense to the choice. But you know, when you have that ex-machina going, nothing can stop you, not even clarke or common sense.

AGAIN OCTAVIA IS NOT THe COMMANDER.

I honestly think you just don't like Octavia, and your being too nit picky.

Yeah sure, because anyone can issue a capital order to commit genocide on an entire clan right?. She pretty much just rode into that conclave to become the commander, common sense out the window, as far as i'm concerned.

Again on what authority did she have to take away a spot from skaikru, on what authority did she have to give out space in the bunker, on what authority did she have to order the death of skaikru (lol the only ones that could operate the bunker. That always gives me a right old laugh lol).

Sure, she's not the commander