Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-28398720-20160530203022/@comment-11565898-20161209234926

Don’t worry, you could be respectfully disagree with me as I’m with you. It isn’t problem. ;)

You’re right in S1 and S2 he started care for others that made him better and I’m afraid this is the only thing we can have some kind of agreement about that question. At the end of the day, it's better than nothing. :)

1. Bellamy never meant to be a follower but he always is. It’s his choice, no one forces him to be.

It was Diana’s plan to kill Jaha and Bellamy shot him without questioning that. He didn’t care that Jaha is the only man on the Ark who could save his sister’s life(because Earth was death radioactive planet then). According to information they had, he sentenced his own sister to death with his actions but he didn’t care for that. It was easier than to fight for her life on the Ark.

He followed the delinquents when they hanged Murphy. He manipulated them with weeks – used their anger and fear against them and their families on the Ark. He knew that he couldn’t control them but he never stopped push the monster which he created. He wanted to give them what they wanted. It hadn’t matter that wasn’t right that Murphy was innocent.

He followed Clarke when she banished Murphy. Again it hadn’t matter that Murphy reached to their actions against him. They neglected his right to get justice. They were risking his life because it was easier.

He followed Abby’s plan. They didn’t know how big was the threat and they could anger grounders more. It hadn’t matter that they could risk life of everyone else.

He followed Finn’s plan to go in TonDC. He knew that Finn isn’t on yourself but Bellamy let him to go there with Murphy. Would Bellamy let Octavia to go somewhere with Murphy in 2x04? He didn’t care about Finn and Murphy and risk their lives for nothing.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">He followed Clarke when she wanted to use grounder’s army against MM. But he knew that their army is useless and no one used that fact to save Finn’s life.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">He followed Lincoln’s plan. He risk life of his all friends including his and Lincoln’s one. Lincoln was drug addicted, he wasn’t in position to took that kind of decision.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">He followed Clarke’s plan to kill all MM. He did the worst possible thing that he could do. People there were innocent. They didn’t know that they were threaten; that  their children would die, No one gave them a choice to do the right thing.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">He followed Pike. He went to war knowing that they hadn’t enough bullets, people and resources but  in the same time he didn’t know how many people grounders had.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">  <span style="font-family:"CalibriLight",sans-serif;">And after that he started follow Clarke again.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">2. He always knew who he want to be. In his imagination he lives with delusional idea that he is something more than everyone else. It started with “They are criminals” in 1x01 and ended in 3x16 while he looked at Octavia as she is the biggest monster in the world because she wanted justice for her dead lover and broken dreams. He turned himself into a saint left her alone with her desire, putting a boundary between them. There wasn’t “Don’t worry, O, he will paid for what he did to you.” or “We need him now but when this end he will die. You haven’t lived looking at him, remembering what he did forever.”.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight",sans-serif;">He believes that he is the hero, the savior in their story. In S1 he stayed with the delinquents and started follow Clarke because she said that he was their hero. He followed Kane because he said that Bellamy did the best thing for their people. He followed Pike because he gave him chance to be the hero again. And he fight with all of them when they tried to break that dream - Finn, Clarke, Murphy, Octavia, Lincoln, Niylah, grounders, Kane and even Pike.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">  <span style="font-family:"CalibriLight",sans-serif;">3. Kane, Octavia and Clarke never forced him to be someone else. They always had a dream about their life on the ground. And I think the real problem is hiding behind the fact that Bellamy had never dream about the Earth. He lives in the past with Zeus, Alexander and Cesar, not in the present or future.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">Lincoln is dead because Kane spared Bellamy’s life. Kane let Bellamy to take his own decisions even when they were wrong. He believed in Bellamy with his own life but in the same time he respect grounders culture and their right to live on the ground. They are real survivors and he is impressed by that.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">Octavia lived 16 years of her life believing that her brother is Heracles. It’s not her fault that he lied her, showing only his best side to her. It’s easy to be the good guy when you are locked in a box. When they landed on the grounds problems began. She just wanted from him to be the brother she knew all her life. It isn’t her fault that he never were that guy.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">Some people say that Clarke is manipulator and use people to get what she wants. I don’t think that is true – she isn’t so smart. She tries to understand grounders and their culture, she respects them. She dream about the Earth. That’s are difference between them. Bellamy never tried to understand who grounders are and how they survive.

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">As I said he is better when he cared for people around him but that isn't good enough to make him layered character because his story always end in the same way - many daed innocent people. <span style="font-family:"CalibriLight","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latin">How is that leadership role? What kind of character development is this? When i <span style="font-family:"CalibriLight",sans-serif;">n the next season we will see different Bellamy, from where will come that change in him?

1. It seems as though you are blaming Bellamy for the mistakes of so many, yet I understand where you are coming from.

-You blamed him for shooting Jaha which I agree with. However, I can't find myself blaming him for not questioning it. He felt Jaha was resposible for not only killing his mother, but planning to kill his sister. So why I may not like what Bellamy did, I understand his actions because I dare say I would be tempted(if I lived on the Ark and was put in that situation) to do the same thing.

-Bellamy tried to stop Clarke before she made her accusation against Murphy. I agree that he should've stopped them as well and I have trouble defending this action, but i'm going to try. I think that this was the first time Bellamy felt important and he didn't want to lose that leadership role he had built up for himself. It was selfish, but again I understand it.

-I agree with you here as well, but again I understand his actions. He could've killed Murphy, but he allowed himself to be persuaded. He felt responsible for Charlotte, but he needed someone to blame(just like with Jaha and what happened with Octavia).

-Bellamy couldn't have stopped Finn because no matter what he did, Finn was going to do what he thought was right. So i feel I cannot condem him for what Finn did because it wasn't his fault to begin with.

-Now as for Bellamy following everyone elses plan, I agree that he could've put a little more thought into following without thinking. However, that has never been who Bellamy is. From Season one, he has maintained that he will do whatever he thinks is right to save his people and that is both his best trait and his worst trait. It irritates me that for as clever as Bellamy is, he never thinks for himself. I hope that with this last battle with Pike, Bellamy finally found who he wants to be.

2) I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point. I think Bellamy does have a hero-complex about him which is why it hurts him when he can't save people(For instance, both times in Mount Weather). However, I don't think Bellamy believes he is better than anyone. I think what he said in "DayTrip' is how he still sees himself. Thats why he and Clarke relate to eachother so well because both want to be the "good guys", but they don't know how to go about being "good". As for the look he gave Octavia, I interpreted as him being afraid for her. After all, Bellamy knows better than anyone what anger does to people and he didn't want that for his sister. When he gave her that speech in the Season 3 finale, I think he was warning her that even if she killed Pike, she wouldn't have been happy. I think he was trying to protect his sister from the guilt he feels every day.

3) Again, I must slightly disagree with you. You're right that they never FORCED him to do anything, but they also never let Bellamy learn from his mistakes. What I mean by that is that everytime Bellamy ever did anything, his rationale was that he was doing what he thought was best for his people(aside from early Season 1). Kane, Clarke, and Octavia all TOLD him what to do without really letting him decide how felt about it. That goes along with my first point that Bellamy doesn't think for himself. He is so afraid that he could hurt one of the people he holds close to him that he goes along with what other think opposed to making his own decisions.

It's not that Bellamy doesn't care for people, but that he cares too much. He wants so badly to prove that he is the "good guy" and that he can save people because on the inside, he still sees himself as the guy who killed his mother alongside so many other people. He still sees himself as a monster when he's just a terrified man trying to do his best. I am not one of those people blind to what bad he has done, but I also can't say that there isn't anything good about him. He is a passionate guy which is why so many people chose to follow him. He knows how to motivate people(which is something Clarke cannot do alone). He is a good leader when he thinks about what he wants opposed to simply acting on his anger. I feel he as progressed somewhat from the selfish man in Season One and I hope that Season 4 Bellamy will finally understand what he wants. It is as Kane said, until he knows the difference between allowing his fear to control him and being brave enough to stand up for what is right, Bellamy will never be a "great" leader nor a "good guy'.