Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29929311-20160912190346/@comment-95.83.253.17-20170119002257

Yeah this is going to take me a while too but I will start from the beginning. Firstly, I'm sorry to hear that your friends got messages like that and I know how upsetting that must have been. I absolutely hate how people throw around casual death threats and hopes that people get cancer, and they say it over anything. They think it is normal, I think it is disturbing and it just feels like this is an overnight trend. Even memes have started to take things too far. They used to be fun but lately a lot of them have turned really cruel and insulting. It's like welcome to the modern era I guess. I hate it, I can only imagine if this is what normal people put up with, imagine what the celebrities get. Like admittedly, some are well adapting to that kind of sensationalized culture, that is actually a huge part of why my admiration for ADC went a bit sour. People think I overract but that's just the way I was raised against the way society has morphed.

I'm sorry to hear that it has affected you so badly too, I have had days where if it's really bad, it really knocks me for six. I don't actually go on Tumblr, I know a lot of the fan stuff is on it but I have heard horror stories about it, it can be an online battlefield apparently. I like coming on fan sites like this more, mostly because it is policed better with admins so nothing too bad can happen, it has almost everything you would want and I like the whole academic aspect of the wikia and actually building something as a community. Most of the time you find the proper fans here.

I get what your saying about the shippers who are nasty having a backround behind it and you are right. Like from talking to other fans and users I have learned a lot about what goes on with the Loo people. I have even experienced it, like you write a positive comment about The 100 and all of a sudden you are getting hate messages and thirty something dislikes. It is not nice. I do know though that there must be some who are obviously against it for genuine reasons, because it hurt them and the LGBT was not handled properly. I totally get why that might turn into venom against the show although it is disappointing. But at the same time, some people are just raised with a different mindset and are genuine asses that like to tear people apart.

I mean when you are so emotionally invested in something though it can get intense. Like I have a friend, we both love the 100 but she ships Bellarke. The problem is though that they were openly repulsed by the idea of Clexa and when I told them I supported them and that Lexa was my fave, they were like well this is how fights start and they also said in the finale with Lexa, they were like you better stay dead. So we literally can barely talk about The 100 because it all boils down to the ships, Bellarke is the one reason they are excited. So it is really awkward because as you say, fandom is supposed to be fun. Honestly that's often partly why I wish for a neutral third party to take Clarke if Clexa can't happen. I mean I think both ships are in agreement that Finn was the worst. But to make it fair and balanced, a third party would perhaps solve that too, otherwise the war will never end and the show will teeter constantly on the edge.

Well I am glad to here that unlike so many Bellarke shippers you didn't just want Lexa discarded. Honestly even if Clexa didn't happen at all she is still my number 1 so I would still have wanted her around, even if Bellarke happened. But now it is just a double wammy. Completely agree would loved to see her interact with other Arkers for fun. Like Raven and her kinda had their differences, would have been nice to see them just talk. And what bothers me so much is that Abby doesn't know and probably never will, that Clarke is bisexual. Perhaps she might have suspected something because I got the impression when she said start with Bellamy, it was kinda like I would rather see you with him because from her perspective and most, Lexa was a little you know what. But that's because they never got to see her in the intimate way Clarke did, they just saw her as the Commander, not as Lexa. I just think that is sad and again, very badly done to just not kind of see what her mother would think. That's why I think it would have been so interesting if Abby got to just talk to Lexa and find out even a little of what Clarke knew. It might have changed her perspective. Especially if she saw what a mother figure she was like to those nightbloods and how protective she was. But as for Murphy and Lexa as an 'odd couple', it certainly would be, especially if you mean romantically speaking considering the obvious that she is a lesbian, it would be a ridiculous thought really.

I completely disagree with your comparison of Lexa being to Clarke what Pike is to Bellamy, totally off the mark there. Lexa loved Clarke and vice versa, she never tried to control her or influence her badly like what Pike did to Bellamy. Pike was polluting Bellamy with his own radical thoughts and aspirations, he was playing on the side of Bellamy that he knew he would appeal to, the dark side that bitterly hates the grounders but is loyal like he is to Octavia. In know way can you compare Pike to Lexa, again terribly insulting to her character. If you only took the time to actually see what Clarke saw in her, the real Lexa who suffered who was burdened but who ultimately cared and felt regret and felt love and most importantly, learned to BE better, maybe you would stop seeing her as everyone else in The 100 apart from Clarke did, a cold hearted cow.

Oh yes there are Bellarke fans who have basically told me they just can't wait to see them have sex. I guess the actual 'love' side comes as a bonus to them if that even factors at all, just so long as the characters get a kick out of eachother and so long as it makes for great screenshots for their new profiles. And I don't agree that keeping them apart shows how much better they are together as you say. I don't agree at all. Firstly throughout a good portion of season 1 and 2, Clarke and Bellamy had been together quite a bit. There was all the potential for something to happen, but it didn't. A lot of Bellarke fans have made it out that this has been a brewing love all along. From Bellamy's perspective his admiration for Clarke sure has grown. But no 'love' has started yet. Clarke trusts Bellamy and considers him a good friend. But when the potential was there, when he invited her to stay with him twice, she declined. Her heart was fixed on Lexa at the time, she was never thinking along those lines.

Jason has only recently stated that Clarke 'will eventually' move on, which really did make me very sad and very frustrated because honestly if this happens so quickly after Lexa just died, that is a)disrespectful to the character and fans and b) it is very unrealistic.

But what Jason also stated was that Lexa, quote, "was the love of her life". He said that Clarke is only 18 and still is young but he also said that she must not and will not forget Lexa. And how can she, what he said has just proven my point from before that no matter who she settles with next, she can never forget her first love who was real to her and she probably will always miss her and think about her, even with that individual. Jason went on to talk about how Lexa and Clarke influenced eachother and how we will see that in season 4 with Clarke's adapting to the tribal ways that Lexa helped her to understand.

That's funny though, the comparison your friend made about the Odyssey. I don't understand it or see their viewpoint though because I have read both The Odyssey and The Aeneid myself. I would never have compared Odysseus to Clarke. Odysseus was a kleos hunter (glory hunter) and a sacker of cities. He had to learn the hard way over the course of the epic because truthfully if he hadn't decided on the way back from Troy to plunder the cave of the Cyclops, he would never have incurred the curse from Poseidon that led to all his men being sacrificed for his return home. It was also just pure luck that he happened to be adored by Pallas Athene so divine intervention helped no doubt. Clarke was never that selfish nor that stupid.

I also wouldn't say Lexa is like Calypso. Calypso was a Nymph who lived on the island of Ogygia. She found Odysseus washed up on her shores and made him more or less her sex slave for 7 years if I'm not mistake. He was totally afraid to anger her, considering she was half immortal and she wouldn't let him leave. It was only when Zeus gave the go ahead and sent Hermes to order her to free him that she did so. But Lexa never treated Clarke as her sex slave, she was never shallow or cruel in that way.

And Penelope as Bellamy is also very odd. Penelope was desired by many suitors who were basically taking advantage of her and her son's hospitality while Odysseus was AWOL. They were going to force her to marry one of them if Odysseus didn't return by the time her son became a man. She used cunning tricks to try and stall for time and constantly wept and prayed for Odysseus. Do not personally see where they are getting these comparisons from but I appreciate when people attempt these things.

Hidden Classics references are everywhere in Harry Potter and The Hunger Games in particular. With me personally, after reading Alexander the Great, I was getting chills because I read it after Lexa died and then came across the ending where Hephaestion, (Alexander's BFFL, right hand man and supposed secret lover, died). He died in a similar way and Alexander was sobbing over his corpse for a very long time. I was like wow deja vu, it nearly made me cry.

I once came across a very intriguing article that compared Dante's seven hells from The Inferno to the different stages of Mount Weather. I can't remember it much because it was a long time ago but when they wrote it, it totally made sense. No doubt the writers of The 100 would have taken inspiration for things too. You know the Traveller's Blessing that Clarke gives Lexa? Well when I was digging around online I found a comparison someone made to that and an old Irish blessing which they thought it might be based on. I saved it because the similarity was truly uncanny, I must post it on here some time maybe, I don't think it has been put up here before anyway.

You made a comparison about Boudica and Lexa. Funny because likewise I always thought she was like a hybrid of Boudica meets Queen Medb from The Táin. There certainly seems to be some Celtic stuff incorporated in there, even with some of the grounder symbols. As you can tell I have a decent knowledge of a lot of these things, I'm a total geek. I loved that Lexa was a modern version of that though. That's also partly why I love the grounders so much. I get the inner thought behind them.

I didn't think it was a good bookend at all though for obvious reasons, Romeo and Juliet epic fail 2.0. Really recently a Bellarke fan told me he was glad they were going back to making this story about quote "Adam and Eve" again which I personally found really bitter and disgusting of him to say something like that. Many of them don't even want to think about Clarke being bi, they don't like her with women, period. I guess many also see Bellamy as a "man's man" and therefore of suitable standard for Clarke which is so narrowminded imo. But as I say, I meet these people aplenty and much worse.

I have always loved The 100. Admittedly if it does go in the direction of Bellarke, it will make it harder for me to follow. I don't want it to be all romance either. And I don't want Clarke to be needy like that. I do often wish she would take a leaf out of Katniss Everdeen's book and just get on with it, do the job and let it be that. Whenever they make her into just your average emotional teen which has happened sometimes, I hate that. I can't understand if some people see Clarke as discriminatory. She's ultimately a strong female lead, heck yeah! Like this has really only come about strongly in the past few years that for once the men are the damsels in distress. And I say embrace it because it has been too long. I hate when people drag political labelling into shows though, totally ruins the concept of a past-time. Sure it may touch on serious things but who I support in a show shouldn't define me in the everyday. I do agree though that for the first time ever with Clexa, it was too personal and they didn't handle it properly. That went too far.

I agree that everything should have a proper end. But for The 100 to end any day soon doesn't feel right, it has been way too short and I am not in any way satisfied or sick of it yet. GOT it feels right because there is a visible fatigue amongst fans and it has run its course. But since the fanbase is strong still, they said some day they might do a spin off which in that sense, sounds reasonable to me. Glenn's death in TWD was so violent that for a lot of people, especially those who were already fatigued by the constant repetitive plot, it was simply the last straw for them. But considering it still has 10 million viewers, no matter how stupid it gets, the creator Kirkman won't end it. I do think though that it will continue to decline steadily from now on.

Anyway, I will come back to the rest of it soon because this is very long.