Board Thread:Spoilers/@comment-178.59.137.247-20160328202746/@comment-28120689-20160403184154

Skyzy wrote: Okay, let me go through this one-by-one.
 * Clarke killed the Mountain Men - There was a direct threat to her people's lives.
 * Kane and Jaha mass murdered 300 of their people for no reason (in the end) - There was a reason: lack of oxygen. Same reason they sent the kids to earth
 * Murphy killed so many of his own people and indirectly a twelve year old - He killed TWO people and it was indirectly Clarke's fault for Charlotte's death because she's the one who went around falsely accusing Murphy in the first place.
 * Lincoln is probably responsible for some of the first few deaths before meeting O - Not at all. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The writers confirmed he was NOT the one who speared Jasper. Other than that, there were no other "deaths" by Grounders until Mbege, Roma, and Diggs, who were killed WHILE Lincoln was saving Octavia's life.
 * Raven made the bomb of killing the Grounders on the bridge - Again, war response. They were under direct attack.
 * Lexa who everyone praises let many of her own people die while she escaped - It was the Mountain Men who sent the missile, not Lexa
 * Bellamy is like Jasper. He snapped. - Jasper never killed anyone. The only one comparable is Finn: an unpredictable loose canon that can't control his emotions and instead takes it out on anyone within firing range.
 * Everyone's done extreme things. - But not this extreme. Again, Bellamy is more like Finn, except Finn "only" killed 18 innocent villagers whereas Bellamy killed 300 sleeping warriors sent to protect them. Everyone else had an immediate threat as justification for their actions. It doesn't necessarily make them right, but it does make them understandable. Bellamy's actions had no justification!

Bellamy is irredeemable because he took the lives of 300 people and still shows NO remorse. He's only upset about the events happening to the other Skaikru (Kane, Sinclair, Miller); he's not upset about being a floating MASS MURDERER! And he should be haunted by all those deaths because he's the one who killed them! Bellamy is responsible in his head for more than 300 deaths. AND he did show remorse. He saved Indra. He didn't tell Pike about Harper and Miller. HE DIDN'T WANT Kane to die. Again I DISAGREE! His logic goes like I-ll-take-the-blood-on-my-hands-as-long-as-the-others-can-survive. He is becoming a self-martyr when NOBODY asked him to! You are failing to see his psychology here and I blame the writing. Bellamy shares similar characteristics with a character of my own and since I've been stydying that patern of thinking for years let me tell you, Bellamy has snapped. He's pushed everyone away on a belief that he does the right thing no matter what and he forgets that he is always doing the right thing BECAUSE HE HAS OTHER PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO! He takes advice from his friends, he hears the other side, he had a co-leader! Now he is all alone and his choices have hit the worst point! Bellamy is lost in his own guilt and self-impossed mission that he fails to see that the people he is trying to save, don't want him to do anything he does!

As for your other points

- And so? She is still a mass murder like Bell, yet she goes through the experience and deals with it. She chose to kill them, an impossible situation sure, but she still has the blood on her hands.

-They didn't have to if they'd listened to reason, waited a bit to see that everyone was still alive on the ground and most definitely NOT let Sydney on the council which resulted in even more deaths. The reason doesn't matter, in their heads they are still killers of their own people!

-Who told Murphy to seek revenge on a twelve year old kid rather than the people who tried to hung him? Who told him to try and kill her? Clarke or no Clarke, that was all Murphy!

- Ok, I was wrong about that one!

- Still, a death is a death, but ok, let's call the circumstances on this one, because the Grounders wouldn't have been ON the bridge if Jasper didn't have those rifle issue.

- Yes and Lexa could have warned them, but she CHOSE not to and flee herself. The captain goes down with the ship obviously doesn't apply here. It was the coward's way out in a way. Sacrifice the few for the many. Strategically correct but moraly EXTREMELY wrong!

- Ok, let me see. The Grounders on the bridge that he blew up, the Mountain Men guard, Tsing and that upredictable loose canon as you described him almost got himself killed. Like I said HE snapped!

- 18? You think that was it? If Clarke hadn't appeared, Finn would have massacred all the villagers from kids to elders. He would have gone on a rampage. He was beyond sanity! Bellamy didn't believe Kane that the Grounders came to protect them. He's been screwed over so many times by them, is it too much to see that Echo's betrayal was his final thread? He lost all respect for Grounders aside Lincoln who let's face it wasn't much of a Grounder since he was practically living and training with him.

Bell is not irredeemable. None of them is irredeemable. Even Finn wasn't irredeemable. They are all victims of war, because no matter how you look at it, this is a war zone. They'll never stop fighting one another until one of them is wipped out or assimilates completely to the other's side.