Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-28398720-20160530203022/@comment-28151443-20170107001643

This isn’t a witch hunt, I’m sorry that you think this. You act like “blame” is something bad but without it how could have guilt, responsibility, justice or redemption? The blame is just part of human life because everyone is guilt for something(this have to answer to your new challenge). Without blame your, mine and everyone else life would be just statics. And it’s not blame because anything bad happened, it’s blame because someone made a mistake and after it has consequences.

You’re right, it’s not all Bellamy’s fault and I don’t claim it but that doesn’t make him innocent or victim of his world. Everything is matter of choice and even when you couldn’t see it right now, don’t excused or justified you after it. Because if it’s not all Bellamy’s fault then it’s not all Pike’s fault too, or Lexa’s, Kane’s, Abby’s, Jaha’s, Murphy’s and etc. Everyone is free to make choices, people died and no one is guilty. They all don’t deserve to be punishment because it’s not all their fault. And Finn died for nothing as Charlotte, Anya, Tristan, all MM, Ontari, Ice queen, Pike, Titus and Lexa. Do you want to live in world where your life hasn’t matter?

- If Bellamy was a traitor he would be dead(Clarke was locked in Sky box because of treason. Although you’re right and he was. He was loyal to his family as Clarke was to her father but he was pardoned and she wasn’t. Don’t blame him, just note it. If that isn’t a double standard I don’t know what is!). His ex-boss sent other prisoner to kill Bellamy so there was something which could issue him. Bellamy couldn’t know this when he was on the Ark but I guess that guns didn’t hide under panels on the Ark and he would know this as ex-guard. Also, how could he know about the top secret on the Ark after even Raven was caught by Abby and Jackson?

If Jaha wanted to know who want to kill him, he wouldn’t have choice and Octavia would be free. Bellamy had that information and Jaha - power to pardoned Octavia.

Jaha is enough smart, he understood people’s nature – he knew that Kane had all reasons to kill him but Kane isn’t a man who would take the job in that way. As Diane who would never take Abby’s place if people didn’t like her because Jaha didn’t trust her. He was a good Chancellor who followed the laws of his people no matter how cruel they are, his son made a crime. It would be hypocritically if he didn’t punish him.(Wells made a crime and paid for it. This is balance I talked about.). How would Jaha judge people if he couldn’t do it for his own child. Would be better if he was like Abby? She risked lives of children to save Clarke(This situation I mean when I told you that in S2 Bellamy didn’t chose to follow Kane who didn’t want no one to leave camp before they understand who is their enemy. Here lies Abby’s fault for Finn’s fate. Kane wasn’t so wrong to wanted it from them, was he? After he proof yourself once why didn’t Bellamy listen him next time? The last time when Kane was right about grounders one of Bellamy’s people die, why did he think that this time would be any different? Or Finn wasn’t part of his people. How that is change? Progression? Learn by your mistakes?). And when Abby has done the same thing to save prisoners in MW she refused to do it.

All prisoners, in every country and century were and still are expendable, no matter if they are children or not. Why should on the Ark be any different? The question is why did they waste resources for people who would be killed? I mean from 2x08 we know that it has something like court. After children become 18 their crimes would be reviewed and they could be free or killed. But the Ark didn’t educate prisoners which isn’t a big deal for Jasper, Monty or Finn but what about children like Octavia and Charlotte who were locked too early in their life and hadn’t any skills to be useful for Ark’s life? What was thinking Aurora Blake that her daughter would be saved because she knows how to sew?

- Do you think that no one on the Ark didn’t know how guards use power giving on them from the Chancellor and the Council? How do you think whose is the job to stop this? Why do you think is different on the ground? Bellamy was a blinded puppy who had no idea what his people do. It’s not like Murphy hide from him and pretending to be someone else or wasn’t proud from his actions. And Murphy had fault that people didn’t like him. But when Atom kissed Octavia that was a crime more worse than a murder. And actually was because Atom was punished while Wells’s killer could hurt someone else without problem because no one wanted to find who did it. There is something called investigation Bellamy was a guard he should know this word. Isn’t that a double standard too?

- Please, our conversation would be easier if we didn’t try to lie each other. I would ask again, why didn’t Bellamy send Octavia with Murphy then? She knew that they have gone to Lincoln’s village and she already was there, knew people and they maybe hadn’t that strong trust in her that Bellamy had in Murphy but like her enough to leave her alive. Wasn’t she better option than Finn? Bellamy had to return their hurt people in the camp but he couldn’t do it alone and here came Finn because Murphy didn’t want to return there yet. It wasn’t needed Finn to respect Bellamy. Bellamy didn’t respect or like the Chancellor or the Council while he was a guard. I could feel another double standard fling in the air. Finn doubled Bellamy’s decisions when they were stupid but always work with him when have to. There are weapons against obsession it’s called manipulation and distraction. It’s not a perfect but would give them more time. Finn was soldier in that situation and the fact that this was first his mission on the new job make things more worse for Bellamy who let him to go, knowing that Finn wasn’t in his best form.

- But he didn’t save them, did he? When Bellamy met Clarke and Octavia he had only Monty and Jasper. Where were the others? He shouldn’t free grounders before to find his people. He risked their life for nothing. The great fighters as Bellamy noticed alone in 2x09 and put that truth in Clarke’s face – 1. never win battle against MM; 2. lost battle against less than 100 children who never fight before; 3. were locked behind four walls where hadn’t any ambush or place to can protect each other; 4. In S3 we saw how ten people could kill 300 warriors with some guns so what would the grounders do against MM and their weapons even if they have their swords? So when they went to achieve peace, grounders army wasn’t good enough for Bellamy(I don’t even want to start debate for how well they protect Finn that put yourselves in a trap. Finn is dead, there was other dead for him but no other option. It’s a balance.), but when he left them for his people they were great fighters. Isn’t that a double standard?

And as he didn’t save 45 children in MW. He couldn’t save 320 sky people, 350 MM(he wanted to save them, these people killed his friends too but he liked them more than he will ever like grounders), the arkadians or his sister. His all sacrifices for his people are little fails.

- So Octavia didn’t talked with people she hit? Really? And what was that what happened in 2x12 “Yes, you can. We can (fight it)…Now, I need you to come with me.” before Lincoln refused listen her little speech; 3x05 when she brought Bellamy to Clarke; 3x07 “I came here to honor you...I need the woman who tough me to be who I am…” in scene where Octavia didn’t hit Indra actually, Indra hit Octavia. Octavia is bad girlfriend because she abused Lincoln but would she be better if she left him alone with his addiction? Octavia is bad sister because Bellamy’s broke face is worse than her broke heart? Octavia was wrong to push Indra to be stronger, it would be better if she let her alone and weak, waiting someone from her people to kill her because of it? Yeah, let compering some murders with some punches. It’s the same thing.

Maybe you could remind me what did Bellamy tell to 320 sky people, 350 MM, 300 grounders before they died?

- Also we could forget for grounders too, they weren’t a threat for his people. So we have only MM. Let give Bellamy a medal. He killed 350 people to save 45. Who was the hero after he, Clarke and Monty killed them? To be a winner and a hero are different things. He shouldn’t make bad things instead other people as they shouldn’t make good things instead of him. Everyone is free to make its own choices – bad and good. This isn’t a deal “I will kill them and you will be good because of me”. Do you want to stop love Bellamy to can I do it? Things in the word don’t work like this. It’s your choices and actions. And would have consequences, good or bad there yours too. You can’t change that for something better.

- Bellamy and Octavia were children together. He had his childhood while was caring for her. They were playing together. Yes, he missed a lot of things much more suitable for his age but the things he got from his time with her should have real precious to him right now when he is adult. The many games will be forget when you grow up but he would never forget for responsibilities he had. The big responsibilities should make him more mature, creative and responsible. These things you couldn’t find in school or on playground. They rise in you when you’re put in different situation than other children. Bellamy is the only one who undermining his efforts every time when neglected Octavia’s opinion but she prove yourself as strong, mature person with own opinion who deserve trust better than him. (Yes, they both don’t know how to handle with their emotions. Maybe it’s something in the Blake’s GNA.)

- If Lincoln was his people where was the speech “He is part of us.” in front of Pike. There was one for Sinclair and Kane when Pike caught them. So Kane got “Sir, would we kill our people now?” but Lincoln – “He is right, sir. We would do the same thing in that situation”. Isn’t that a double standard?

- Grounders continue to die too if he misses it. In S2 Lexa killed the first peacemaker and that didn’t achieve peace between grounders and sky people. In S3 sky people didn’t want peace, Lexa let her people to be killed by men who didn’t feel regret for their actions and that didn’t achieve peace for them all again. Both “Blood must have blood” and “Blood must not have blood” didn’t work when they weren’t use in right moment.

<p class="MsoNormal">- You may miss it but grounders like Octavia. She had strong spirit and they appreciate that. It’s not like sky people who think that she is crazy. They don’t understand her. She is the girl who lived under the floor and nothing could change that for them. But grounders don’t know her past. She work so hard to be appreciate among them. They don’t judge her because who she was but who she is. It’s not hard to understand why she like them more.

<p class="MsoNormal">- I couldn’t choose Lexa’s death. She would never survive The 100 because of her spirit(2x10) and there wasn’t any matter how she would die to give it to the next Commander. It would be very nice by writers’ side to give her fans more intense death for their favorite character because they brutally use them to upgrade their ratings since end of season 2. As Lincoln couldn’t have different death because of his brave heart he showed to us in 1x12. But that doesn’t mean that his fans didn’t deserve to see his storyline with Luna because they wait for it since S1. I don’t know what kind of issues they had but while watched the actor’s new big role who is more punished by their actions he or their fans?

<p class="MsoNormal">It doesn’t matter anymore. I think Wells, Diana and her people, Finn(he couldn’t survive much more, maybe to 2x15), Anya, all MM, Monroe, Ontari, the nightbloods, Sinclair’s death, they all could die differently, giving to the story much more sense. It was disappointing that they didn’t kill Jasper(I like him and in S3 even more than before. It’s funny how writer couldn’t find the right moment to kill him since 1x01. In the show where no one is safe this is a big thing.) at the end of S3, his death would make things more tragic in the situation they all are. The feeling of the finale would be totally different. To think that The 100’s writers would kill Bellamy is the same like to think that GoT’s ones would kill Jon Snow. That would never happen – I was right for Jon last year, believe me I’m right for Bellamy too. He is save to the end.

<p class="MsoNormal">- I think he lost his friends after Monroe’s death but if Pike’s people are more important to him, it’s his choice. He went to them few hours after he put their people in prison. What did he expect from them? After they knew how loyal he is to Pike should they risk their whole plan and safety because of his pride? So they should trust him but where was his trust in his friend, sister and leader? Where was his trust in his people – thanks to Clarke, Kane and Abby, like it or not, grounders were his people too when he killed them. Isn’t that a double standard?

<p class="MsoNormal">He judge grounders because they were loyal to their Commander but when he was loyal to his Chancellor  – nothing. He tries to help after betrayed his people and that is enough reason for people to forgive him? But when grounders tried to help in protection of Arkadia after the let people there to die before few months ago, he killed them. Isn’t that a double standard?

<p class="MsoNormal">Monty understood the massage, Bellamy should too. But he couldn’t believe how someone doesn’t trust him. As he never believes that Octavia would push him away. And while Bellamy was in safe with Octavia who wouldn’t hurt him because of grounders, Pike thought that his little brave soldier was kidnapped and his position and life were safe. He couldn’t be in better position even if he wanted it.

<p class="MsoNormal">And I’ll give you a last double standard (because in that show has much more if we stop circle only around Bellamy). Finn died after he killed 18 people and Bellamy is still alive after 300. And Finn Collins still is the biggest monster in that show. But Bellamy was forgiven because he tried to help. Why?

<p class="MsoNormal">But while Finn: 1. didn’t want to kill anyone; 2. hadn’t enough information; 3. found clothes on his friends in the village; 4. was ready to leave without harm anyone of people there; 5. started to shot because of illusion that they could attack him.

<p class="MsoNormal">Bellamy knows that: 1. grounders don’t use any weapons different by swords, arrows and their own teeth(2x01); 2. So they didn’t know how to activated the bomb; 3. the coalition is everything for Lexa; 4. Ice nation claimed responsibility for attack in front him. The man of their delegation talked to him, not to Clarke, Lexa, Kane or Abby. 5. He went outside  Arkadia with attention to kill all these people there and would do it if Indra wasn’t so important for Octavia.

<p class="MsoNormal">Bob is talented actor and nice looking man, all actors and actresses are but that isn’t good enough reason for me to like Bellamy or any one of their characters more or less than others. I don’t try to put all the blame on Bellamy, this would be unfair. He is guilty only for thing he could change with his choices. Nothing more, nothing less. I was there for Bellamy when people attacked him after he killed grounders. It was a bitter harvest for them. The death isn’t real punishment for me but what is the alternative? Should someone else be hurt because he refuse to change the way he looks on the world after three seasons? Is that fair? You said that his mistakes hurt him but was he more hurt than Indra was after she lost her army; than Jasper after he lost Maya; Octavia after she lost Lincoln; Clarke who lost Wells and Finn; Murphy when he was torture?

<p class="MsoNormal">As I don’t like him, I don’t like Clarke because she never tells truth to people, don’t like Octavia because she is too impulsive and aggressive, Indra because she is too aggressive and let two kids to risk life of her people, Raven because she slept with Finn after he cheated on her, Luna because she chose to kill her boyfriend instead to take the chip, Lincoln because in S1 he had waived by his people; it would be easier for me to explain why I like Lexa than the reasons I don’t like her(it’s another 5 pages(I’m sorry about it). We both(I) don’t want this and she is already death.) and etc. No one of them is perfect and wouldn’t be interesting if they were. That make them bigger people, not the idea of heroes or villains but the fact they are free to make their own choices. You need to know that Bellamy isn’t a “bad guy” to like him and here have another double standard – last year no one use the word “dark” for choices Bellamy did in S3 but now hadn’t any interview where the same word is missing when has describe Octavia’s actions in S4. Why?

<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t need to know that he or someone else is good or bad, my love to Pike(and killing of my favorite character don’t change that and never will because he was one of the greatest characters of that show), Cage, Dante or Tristan(or Ramsay and Negan) prove it. But while they were punished for their choices, for Bellamy real punishment has left to his guilt. A guilt that doesn’t protect him from mistakes but make him repeat these who he already did over and over again.