Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29929311-20160912190346/@comment-95.83.253.87-20170125234344

Sorry about the wait, I've just been really busy. And I will get back to answering your post before this because I want to lay out my opinion of it so keep that in mind. It will take me a while however and I just haven't had the time to sit and do it (honestly it can take me a good hour or so, I don't know about you). That's not to say I'm not enjoying it though, it is a bit therapeutic considering as I explained before, I can't really talk to my friends about it. I have never used tumblr, I know it sounds really weird but I no very little about it, do you need an account for it or something? I know for a fact a lot of the dodgy Loo people hang out on it too and  they really get my goat because all they do is hate on The 100 and worship ADC, but in a stalker-ish way not a healthy fan way if you get me. Although they are making up her fanbase so maybe ADC wouldn't care, idk.

No I don't want to know much about season 4 so please don't spoil it. To be honest although I love this show, I find I am half dreading it because of Bellarke, like I don't want to linger on it like I did the previous seasons, I just want to watch it for my own knowledge. As I said 3B was sadly very hard for me to watch, all the goodness was taken out of it for me, there was nothing left to root for except Clarke and even at that in season 4 I feel like I am just going to disagree with everything she does. I wish the events of last season could be undone. Although I love Lexa to bits, like no joke she is my number 1 character ever in anything I have ever seen, I thought that to bring her in, hype her up and cut her dead like that was beyond stupid and cruel. She wasn't even in it for a whole season. This happens to me all the time. Like after season 1 I fell behind, I recorded season 2 but didn't get to watch it at the time because I was so busy. I nearly abandoned it because much of season 1 I kinda forgot about. But then I watched season 2 and it was actually the episode with Anya and Clarke in Mount Weather that I became properly addicted to the show. Usually tv shows never really grabbed me but that did. And a big part of it was Clarke and Anya coming from 2 different worlds and kind of comparing that, I loved it. And I really started to like Anya. But as soon as I did, they killed her. I was so unhappy but when Lexa came I quickly got over it because she was even better!!!! Yet had IO known what they would do to her, and to us her fans, a part of me rather wishes the character was never introduced at all. Because they just permanently ruined a character that could have had a lot of potential by making it so that she can never return again. Thar sucks sooo much. And now I'm worried I will lose my attachment with the show. For Bellarke fans obviously they will be glued to their screens more than ever. I desperately want to give this show another chance. But if they do introduce a new character that I get attached to and the same thing happens, no way, I would feel very betrayed, more than I do now. Clarke I adore but the grounders mean at lot to me too. And the sad thing is that if this was a show where you could only love the sky people, I don't think it would have survived. In fact it nearly didn't, I heard that after season 1 it was nearly cancelled but a large donation from a wealthy fan helped to keep it going. I mean characters that I don't even care about they rarely kill. Like granted they killed Monroe last season but that had absolutely no effect on me, she rarely even spoke. Despite the fact it won't really be the same, I hope I can enjoy season 4, I really hope it won't change for me.

In terms of the Abby thing yeah I know in that world nobody makes a big thing of it (publicly anyway). But Abby just did not like Lexa, that was totally obvious. She only saw one side to her though, she never got to see the vulnerable side, only Clarke did. And to be honest, I don't think she really takes to the grounders, not like Kane. She kinda developed a respect for Bellamy for his defense of the Sky People and she saw how he is with Clarke. She wants Clarke to move on from this whole ordeal with him. But she never was aware that nobody protected Clarke more than Lexa, she never knew what was going on there, Paige Turco said so herself on Twitter. And I hate that so much. It's almost like the show doesn't want that conversation to happen because they are afraid to bring it up again. I don't want Lexa to be a non-entity in season 4 and I don't want the show to carry on as if she never existed which I know is exactly what they are going to do. Clarke and Abby's relationship has been strained lately because of their differing views about Lexa and the grounders. But now Lexa is out of the way, the show will make their relationship good again. The damage is done though, Abby will try to push Clarke into situations with Bellamy which I would consider insensitive because Lexa just DIED but even if Clarke explains to Abby (which she likely won't), Abby never saw and never will see that Lexa was a good person and that she loved Clarke. And for me, that is one heck of a nasty chink in this already poorly handled narrative arc. Lexa shouldn't be treated like Clarke's dirty little secret, considering the girl actually died to save both communities and in the end, treated the Sky People as her own. But I feel that is what they will do because no other character will see the significance of her loss. Except maybe Murphy, he was the only one who saw a glimpse of that.

With Nyla as a comparative maybe. But to be honest, I don't really know what to make of went on between them. I don't think she loved Nyla exactly but I think being with Lexa had an effect on her. She rejected Lexa initially but after the MW thing, she felt hurt but I think that was when she realised how strong her feelings for Lexa actually were. She was confused because a part of her wanted to hate Lexa for it but in reality as we saw, she couldn't. I think it was wrong in a way because it felt like she was using Nyla to try and forget her. But she couldn't. And when she left Nyla, it was literally that of her tail being between her legs because you could see she regretted it. And of course where does this leave poor Nyla, she was just collateral damage in all of this, she even lost her father over it. I heard whispers for sure that from the trailer, it looks as if Echo might kill Nyla. If so I will be disappointed because again the number of gay couples vs lesbians in the show will be outnumbered and using couples like Brian and Nathan is not adequate representation because it's not balanced. The whole point and I completely get it because it is a fact, is that lesbian relationships on tv are rarely long lasting and one usually dies if not both. It even happened in TVD too. Clarke arguably is no longer adequate representation herself anymore anyway, not if they are just going to "put Adam and Eve back together" as one Bellarke fan quoted to me before as I said. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is more uproar if they kill Nyla because the show is not evenly balanced then.

I feel like somebody needs to take charge of both sides definitely and you're right, I think if the sole purpose of introducing a character like say Luna was to function as a replacement for Lexa as Commander, that would not go down well at all. Certainly I wouldn't like the symbolism of it, that Lexa can be easily replaced as a character in the show when truthfully she can't. However, if Clarke was to be made Commander, I would be more accepting of that because it would be like her finishing Lexa's goal for keeping  her people safe. Lexa considered both communities as her people by the end so I think it only fair that Clarke be seen to consider the same. However the producers likely won't allow that, they will be meeting more Nightbloods this season I heard so the blood thing may still likely be very significant. But yeah, I often imagine what if Clarke and Lexa had been given even one week to live in that city, just the two of them, not fighting as normal people. Just being able to eat icecream (imagine Lexa's face) and wear normal clothes and not fight battles. I love Heda but she was more than a Commander and I loved that. When she was with Clarke, dressed in her house clothes with no warpaint, etc., she was just normal and the two of them were briefly, just able to be normal 18 and 20 year old girls. And I wish we had seen more of that, Lexa had a whole future ahead of her but half her life was taken away by being forced into a very adult world and role that made her grow up quickly. I often think, when she was a little girl rather than being let play will dolls they probably shoved a pocketknife into her hand. Part of me thinks that she must have had a very sad childhood. And I think as an adult, she was sad. As she has more or less told Clarke, she didn't know what it was like to live, only to exist. But for the little time that she was with Clarke, she taught her how to live. And judging from the way she cried when Clarke kissed her, I don't think she was shown love very often. She was taken away from her parents as a baby being a nightblood. Titus cared for her wellbeing but showed her only tough love so that she wouldn't act soft or vulnerable. If you think about it, the first person that ever even hugged her was probably Costia. And when she died Lexa must have felt so alone. The Ice Queen would have known this. She carried on in a tough stance because she had a job to do. But if she died, as seen when that giant gorilla grabbed her, I don't think she would have much cared if she died. But not a lot of people tried to get inside the character's head like me. That's why when people say they wished for her death or that they hate her, despite her just being a character, it makes me feel sorry for her. And that's partly why I felt so sad that they killed her right after she slept with Clarke. Because it is like life could never allow Lexa to be happy. To be normal.

About the Pike and Lexa thing, I think Clarke ran away because she needed space to think about things and clear her head. Her emotions were all over the place regarding Lexa, regarding everything. She couldn't stand to go in there and for everyone to look to her for what to do. She needed to put herself first for a change, she wasn't fit to take that role in her state of mind. And yeah, I totally think she stayed with Lexa partly because she didn't want to face the music. But I don't think it's because Lexa was tough and would look after things. I think the other reason that she stayed is because in her own surroundings, she saw how vulnerable Lexa was. The conclave was against her, the Ice Queen was trying to turn people against her, things were falling apart for Lexa. And even later on with Roan you could see how terrified she was, she tried everything to prevent her from fighting him. I don't think she wanted to leave Lexa because I think she wanted to make sure she was safe. And when Lexa got down on her knees you could see how much it meant to her, to know that Clarke cared. So in that sense I still don't think there are any similarities. Because I don't think Clarke was there to hide or that Bellamy was either.

I agreed with your point about the Ice Queen though, how stupid was it to make her the talking point in terms of the big bad enemy in season 2 and imagine how excited I was thinking what if she finds out about Clarke and Lexa being together after what she did to Costia?! It would be history repeating itself for poor Lexa. I had it all pieced together in my head that the person who kidnapped Clarke would be the Ice Queen after what happened in Mount Weather (and that nearly did happen). I thought that Lexa would be clueless thinking she was safe the whole time and that her and the Sky People would have to team up, resolve their differences and go to the Ice Nation to rescue their common interest, Clarke. And then if Lexa's death was unavoidable, it would have made so much more sense and been a bit more dignifying if she was killed in battle with her while the others were saving Clarke and that Clarke would get her own revenge by killing the Ice Queen in the process. But yeah, it didn't happen that way.

I don't quite think Clarke was healing at all in 3b tbh, she was still clinging to Lexa and the flame. Yeah some of the fan art can be weird. But I don't want Bellamy and Clarke to do that, I hate the way he slept with so many women for sex before, at one point in season 1 he even slept with two at the same time. Bellamy doesn't know what love really is because he was raised watching the way his mother let herself be treated by men. He was raised to believe this is normal. He needs to hold back and learn how to love and respect women first before he dares go near Clarke, and even at that if this was the real world I would be thinking gosh they didn't even have protection and I would seriously want him to get checked out before doing that to the poor unsuspecting girl. Of course it's fantasy so Clarke won't get anything but if this show wants to be taken seriously with it's representations for young people, in that department it doesn't promote healthy relationships. Yeah I don't know what will happen to Octavia, some are speculating she might even get killed off because her purpose is kinda confuddled now.

Yeah but the problem is I, yes me myself can't move on as swiftly as the show wants to make Clarke move on. But she didn't really mourn. Clarke was always too busy with saving the world, she was upset when she was doing it but she kept it all bottled up. And even if she was starting to move on a bit, meeting Lexa's A.I and thinking she could be with her but then Lexa breaking the news that no actually it was time to die again, that was just an opportunity to open up the wounds all over again. I'm not over Lexa's death, I'm still wishing for a miracle return, honestly I would burst into tears of joy right now if they were like surprise! and she actually came back as a gigantic plot twist. I would love this show forever. But I don't think I will get over the loss of the best character that I ever witnessed in my life being brutally taken away like that.

I feel like they are kinda making Clarke needy if every 5 seconds after something happens and for some reason a relationship breaks down, she has to be with someone elses. Because she doesn't have the self discipline to say no, for my own sake and out of respect for my dead lover, I need to to be on my own and process this. It's like she can't be on her own then, she is constantly in a relationship and that is not healthy, no way, nope.

I still think that is a slightly off comparison with the Odyssey. Lexa wouldn't let Clarke go back to them after Bellamy killed her army because she would have been targeted by some very angry grounders because Lexa freely interacted with her, a sky person. They would have pinpointed her as the problem. But Odysseus didn't freely go to Calypso in the first place, he was miserable there the whole time and she used him for sex every night. I don't think that's Lexa at all and it's not Clarke either. We could go and argue that Clarke is Harry Potter, Lexa is Hermione and Bellamy is Ron too if we so wished because of similar traits but I feel like with these sort of comparisons when there's no dinstinct sign of influence taken from it, it can be a bit wishy washy.

That's mean, I would be more concerned if Bellamy didn't cry, boys that try to act buff and supress things like that are especially ones to watch out for. And anyway, Finn cried, lots of guys in it did, that's no reason to pick on Bellamy. And it is not emo.

I'll think about tumblr but I need to find out a bit more about it first. I'm glad we are 100 buddies anyway despite our ship differences, wish there was more people out there that had your positive attitude about it.

And I will eventually get around to posting the Traveller's Blessing thing I found, I will probably make a separate discussion post for it that everyone can see. I can't really remember if Lexa perhaps saw Clarke or someone say that before, did Clarke say that to Finn before she stabbed him? My memory is a little fuzzy on the details. Unless it was a mistake. Although, considering they are descended from the same larger community, maybe the grounders were familiar with it too, I can't say, season 4 might expand on that, but then again maybe they won't.

And like I said, give me a chance but I will eventually get around to responding to your original post because I have some good points to argue about the ancestors etc., but it takes me a while to get around to these things and lately I'm a bit bogged down with stuff, it was just convenient for me to respond to this first. I enjoy the discussions though. :)

No you would be surprised there are quite a number of guy shippers too although the majority are probably girls. But a lot of the guy shippers I met were Bellarke ones and again, ones that didn't get Clexa didn't want to get them, thought that it should never have happened and are rooting for the traditional guy girl relationship again, most of them also loathed Lexa. Probably because she would slay them in a sword fight or something.